HINDU BY “BIRTH,” BUT INVESTIGATING ADVAITA, Part Four

FROM A SITE VISITOR: [Please see the 02 November 2007 post for the e-mail which is being responded to today]

F.: (The exchange continues):

V.: Now, in every religion there is no parallel existence to God. God does not change also. Even if there is Consciousness, how could God become aware of It's existence, unless there is some percievable change within it? Hypothetically, if i became deaf,blind,numb to touch, insensitive to smell all at the same time and there is no bodily feeling inside me, and my memories got erased too that wud mean i'm in a coma right?

F.: The suggestion for you at this point, Vignesh, is to keep it simple. A piece of advice received during the early stages of the “journey” will now be passed along to you: “It is obvious, at this juncture, that you should ask more questions, make fewer statements, and meditate upon the pointers offered.” To that end, pointers for meditation will be offered.

As for the comments above, when the “you” that you think you are is sleeping, the consciousness knows that the elemental plant-food-body is sleeping. That said, focus more on the fact that you are using the "mind" to over-analyze, but the “mind” will prove to be useless in this process. In actuality, it is part of “the problem,” but if the process is completed, the “mind” (a repository of all ideas, concepts, lies, distortions and erroneous beliefs) will be eliminated.

[A pointer for further consideration in quiet meditation: Also eliminated along with the “mind” will be your programming to desire more. You mention religion. Understand that religion is about more: more “life,” more “advancement,” more “rewards,” more “blessings,” more "security," more "power," etc. Understand that Advaita, in its purest form, is a philosophy that is about less.]

Next, to the concept of “God” you mention:

Regarding this “God” of which you speak, would that be (A) a “creator God,” (B) a “sustainer God,” (C) a "God of destruction" or (D) all of the paganistic, multiple gods of lore, sometimes all rolled into one (as is the case of “Abraham’s One God”)?

If “A,” understand that neither matter nor energy can be created; thus, wherefore a “creator”? Infinite is infinite, whether speaking of it at the end of an imaginary timeline as the religious often do or whether reconsidering it in “the other direction”—not “after” but “before” and “always.” Energy and matter have existed infinitely and will exist infinitely.

[A pointer for further consideration in quiet meditation: What IS has always been and was not, therefore, "created." The religious can seem to grasp the notion of “infinity” after death but refuse to accept that infinite is as valid "to the left" on their conceptual timeline as it is "to the right" on their "birth-life-death-judgment-reward or punishment" conceptualized timeline.]

If your "God" reference is to “B”—a sustainer God—understand that energy/matter is continuous…without support, without a sustainer, without any contribution from anything. Thus, energy/matter is not “sustained” but simply is…forever independent of any creator…forever independent of any sustainer…beyond creation and beyond destruction.

[Consideration for meditation: The same applies to That Which You Are and to That Which I Am: I have been continuous and shall be forever, present before all time and present at the initiation of all universes. And that is the factual reality though no “former” plant food body existed. Further, it is also a factual reality though this present plant-food-body is not Me and though no “mind” or “personality” ever existed or currently exists.]

Why has there been no sustaining of matter or energy? Elements cycles into temporary forms and out of temporary form-ness and then return to the universal pool of elements; the breath cycles into and out of spaces/forms, and then eventually returns to the universal pool of air; the conscious-energy manifests and unmanifests, thus returning to the universal pool of energy. Neither creation nor sustenance is involved in that which cycles (or "circles," as opposed to that which religion would measure with a straight line, namely, their fictional beginning-end-eternity continuum).

[A consideration for meditation: Understand that timelines are fiction, understand what actually cycles, understand what does not cycle, and then You'll know why You were not born, why You cannot die, and why You, therefore, cannot be re-born either.]

If, however, the God you are speaking of is (C) a God of Destruction, then understand again that neither matter nor energy can be destroyed. Thus, no creation, no sustaining, and no destruction.

V.: How could i be aware of my own existence, without even knowing any external or internal changes happening?

F.: That Which I Truly Am and Which You Truly Are has never changed at all. I Am the constant. You Are the constant. Anything that is “changing” is illusion.

The challenge you face, Vignesh, is to set aside all that you think you know about Advaita and Hinduism and life and death and Brahman and God and the functioning of the totality and the Void and to take the primary steps required to build the foundation that is required for the full understanding to happen.

Go back to the starting point (the body identification) and be free of that first. Then, the “mind” that is being overly-utilized can be cast aside, as can identification with all personas (including any religious and/or spiritual personas that are lingering).

Only then can you move through the steps to Realization in the logical order required. Regards. Please enter the silence of contemplation. (To be continued)
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THE MYTHOLOGY OF BIRTH AND REBIRTH(S)

[First, a note to “Olga”: your server is returning the response to your e-mail because you did not enter your complete address. If you provide a correct address or a different address, the private response will be forwarded.]

FROM A SITE VISITOR: Why do you say that you cannot be born again since you were not born once? Anil

F.: Hello, Anil. Generally that query comes from one who (a) believes in multiple reincarnations or from those who (b) believe that they were born, they that are their bodies, that they will die, but that their ashes or carrion shall re-form as bodies that will eventually experience pleasure or pain for eternity.

First, all of the nonsensical beliefs around “birth” are too numerous to address, but one very common belief was revealed in a survey of U.S. citizens (which is not a group known for widespread enlightenment). In that survey 87% said they believe that “God played some role in their conception and birth.” (That is the same percentage in the U.S. who, in a different survey, said that they believe in angels.) What are the odds of enlightening a population when 87% of them don’t even know how babies are “made”?

Is it any wonder that so few ever Realize Fully when it is seen that most are so out of touch with reality that they think a god is guiding the billions of sperm cells per second that are ejaculated across the planet and are seeking eggs? Is it any wonder that so few persons will ever Realize when the egotism that blocks Realization is so grand that 87% of them each believes that she/he is “a special gift from God”? Now there's a false identity that will sustain a sense of separation for an entire manifestation.

In fact, babies are not “made” because nothing is made and nothing has ever been made. Many religious persons can unquestioningly believe that no one made God, that God has existed forever, and that whatever God is supposedly made of has been forever; yet they cannot make the leap and grasp the simple fact that matter and energy have been forever.

Neither matter nor energy can be created or destroyed, so nothing has ever been created and nothing has ever been destroyed. It’s so simple: energy and matter cycle. That’s it. Understand that basic scientific fact, and understand that everything (including babies) is matter/energy, and then you’ll understand that babies cannot be “created or “born.”

Nothing was involved in the process whereby that space known as “Anil” manifested except this: energy manifested in plants; plants were eaten by two humans that would be called “your parents”; some portions of the consumed and digested plants took the form of cells that function spontaneously; some cells functioned as eggs and some as sperm; an act of friction transferred sperm from one space to another; an egg was spontaneously fertilized; many other spontaneous processes happened over a nine-month period; and a plant food body emerged from another plant food body and…voilà…“Anil.” Particles of matter, along with waves and particles of energy, merely cycled. Nothing more, nothing less, nothing "special."

So, for the pointer regarding “no birth/no death” to be comprehended, the notion of “a supernatural creator” being involved in what was nothing more than a natural act must be debunked. An understanding of the basic facts provides that debunking. Yet most persons will be trapped in their magical, supernatural thinking and will not understand that stories about gods being involved with the impregnation of humans happened (1) in mythology, as when Zeus took the form not of a burning bush but of a swan and then raped Leda and (2) in fiction, twenty-two times prior to the Mary-Joseph-Jesus tale.

[NOTE: Since Advaita deals with myth-busting, a pause will be taken to bust another one: twenty-two religions prior to Christianity claimed "Our Savior was born of a virgin." The tale was not new in Joseph and Mary’s day, but it did—over the ages—allow more than a score of not-married-but-nevertheless-pregnant women (like Mary) to avoid being stoned to death. For that alone it was a tale worth telling and sticking to, as far as “The Unwed Mothers of Saviors” were concerned. Yet many have wondered about that twenty-third case in which the mother could have prevented the crucifixion of her son if she’d come clean at the end: “What? They’re going to kill me over my ‘son of god’ claim but I really am just ‘the son of man’?” For more debunking, see the books SPIRITUAL SOBRIETY and IT’S ALL BS via the links below.]

So spaces called “human babies” happen when energy manifests in plant spaces, when conscious-energy is introduced via plant-eating into “human” spaces, and when cells are formed. When plant food bodies (formed via plant food eating) subsequently engage in frictional acts and transfer sperm cells that conduct a race to the egg, conscious-energy can manifest temporarily into another space.

Those are the facts, in spite of one woman saying angrily, “Don’t you try to tell me that God wasn’t involved in selecting my daughter for me—we are exactly alike, and that can’t happen by chance.” No, it can’t happen by chance, but it did happen by programming, conditioning, and genetics…all of which are god-free processes.

So the impregnation process is an all-natural process. Nothing divine or supernatural is involved. It is not “special.” That all-natural process happens the same with rats and worms and roaches, and the final fate of all of those spaces—humans, rats, worms and roaches—is the same: at some point, the elements will rejoin the universal pool of elements; the breath shall rejoin the universal pool of air; and the consciousness shall rejoin the universal pool of unmanifested energy.

Some are predicting that the population of the planet by 2100 will be 12 billion humans as opposed to the 6.5 billion humans now on the planet. Yet not one additional particle of matter will exist on the planet, even if 6 billion more human bodies exist. If the 6.5 billion spaces now increase in number to 12 billion spaces then, it will all happen with the same quantity of elements that are currently present on the planet. Only the additional energy shall be introduced from without the otherwise closed environment.

Of course other projections are that the population will decrease from 6.5 billion to 2 billion as a result of the effects of global climate changes, as a result of inadequate food supplies, because of new strains of super-viruses and super-diseases, and because of other factors. If that scenario plays out, the case will be the same. No material will be “lost” simply because 4.5 billion fewer persons are walking about the globe. [For the complete explanation, see “Being Free of Body and Mind Identification” below.]

Understanding zero net gain and zero net loss is basic to understanding the reality of cycles. It is also a prerequisite to knowing “where” you were prior to conception and “where” you shall “return to,” post-manifestation. For one to believe that “he” or “she” has been “created” by “a creator” and/or parents is to fail to understand the most basic premise of manifestation and one of the most basic elements of the teachings: you were not born even once, so you surely cannot be “born again.” Please enter the silence of contemplation.
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