ONE WHO HAS BEEN SEEKING “ALL HIS LIFE” IS NOW INVESTIGATING THE ADVAITA “PATH,” Part Four

FROM A SITE VISITOR: If I'm not my body and and am aware of my consciousness even if I lost most of it's parts and I'm becoming conscious that I wasn't created so don't die but i return to the source or the field of consciousness from whence i came after my manifestation-am I conscious of this return? Thanks in advance. Bill

[Continued from yesterday]

B.: Now it seems you’re saying that my heaven will be if I can realize who I am which in and of itself is infinite even if I stop being aware of who was once bill.

F.: Or being aware of that which was once considered to be “bill,” namely, a body-“mind”-personality triad (or actually, multiple personas). It is suggested that you spend some time in the quiet, reconsidering objectively all of the religious and spiritual concepts that you have been taught and accepted as fact. Why?

Because of two factors: (1) though the religious and/or spiritual stages are required steps along the "path," the assumption of religious and/or spiritual personas will cause the seeker to fixate at that third of seven steps and will thus prevent Full Realization; and (2) there are no greater source of dualistic concepts than organized religion and "organized spirituality."

Therefore, the discussion begun yesterday will continue. After Christ was taught the Advaita message and began sharing it, he was quoted as having said, “No one will see the kingdom of heaven—it’s within.” He was also quoted as having said, “Heaven and earth shall fade away" (when the consciousness fades away from the space called “bill”).

And if there is no heaven that you will ever see, according to the very words of Christ, should that not end once and for all the talk by Christians about "a god in heaven who is awaiting you"? No heaven...no god.

(Some ask, "What about, 'The father has prepared a mansion with many rooms for you'?” That was pre-Realization talk, rooted in the Jewish programming of a child. Even post-Realization, Christ made comments geared for those at the "wet charcoal" stage. Yet that child that talked in the temple would one day leave organized religion and its temples and would preach in homes and on hillsides. Ironically, even though he modeled for persons to leave organized religion, self-serving men created an organized religion in his name.)

The Christ, after having been taught the Advaita philosophy, was also quoted as having said, “When you speak of me, speak of me as I AM” and “Before Abraham was, I AM.” (Since that body called “Christ” took form nearly 2000 years after Abraham’s body had returned to the universal pool of elements, most Christians prefer to ignore those two quotes. They must, since most Christians really have no clue at all what the one they call “Jesus” was really talking about when he referenced the AM-ness.)

The pope before this current one explained it like this: The geography of Gehanna must be corrected: there is no geographic heaven or hell. Those are mental states only, and you are in one or the other NOW. Both are conditions of the consciousness, dependent upon whether it is pure, or warped.

B.: And that once realized will bring the peace and serenity I have been looking for all my life.

F.: Exactly.

B.: It a little scary to know that once my manifestation ends so does the awareness of who was once bill.

F.: Spoken like a “true” body and mind and personality! For “floyd,” what was scary was the belief system he was operating with: that he would spend eternity either singing praise to a male (what an egomaniac) or that he would spend eternity burning at the behest of a punishing god (what an ass). “Heaven” vs. “hell” options became “Hell” vs. “even more hell” options.

Consider how much nonsense is taken to be fact and truth as a result of belief in body identification and as a result of belief in the “birth” principle. “I was born” immediately locks in body identification. That concept then allows billions who believe that they were born to talk about being “born again” as well, figuratively.

It will also convince them that their “savior” was resurrected after “death” and that they too shall be resurrected after death.

(Consider this related piece of nonsense: some females among that same group claim that they have been “re-virgined.” If certain religious persons believe that a woman who is not a virgin can become a virgin again, then convincing those same people to believe in “virgin births” and in being “born again” and in “literal resurrections” is a cinch.)

Among other religious types, the belief in the “birth” principle convinces them that they can be reincarnated and can be “born again, literally”…again and again and again. And, of course, all of that is driven by fear and desire: fear of “death” and desire for continuity.

Want peace? Realize that there was no birth so there is no death. That ends one of the prevalent fears of persons. Since there is no death, there is no life after death. That ends one of the prevalent desires of persons for eternal reward and another of the prevalent fears: eternal punishment. Free of fears and desires, one can just be. Please enter the silence of contemplation. (To be continued)

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[Several books are offered for beginners. More information regarding the “Advaita Beginner’s Package” is available at http://floydhenderson.com/order.htm ]

LIBERATION is a guide to elimination of personality; BULLSHIT is, among other things, an invitation to reject cultural influences to accumulate (including the accumulation of money and excess property and personas and more and more religious beliefs and/or spiritual knowledge and co-dependent entanglements that are intended to provide “happiness”):

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ONE WHO HAS BEEN SEEKING “ALL HIS LIFE” IS NOW INVESTIGATING THE ADVAITA “PATH,” Part Three

FROM A SITE VISITOR: If I'm not my body and and am aware of my consciousness even if I lost most of it's parts and I'm becoming conscious that I wasn't created so don't die but i return to the source or the field of consciousness from whence i came after my manifestation-am I conscious of this return? Thanks in advance. Bill

[Continued from yesterday]

Bill: I have always been giving myself a false sense of comfort in believing that at death my body will die but my soul will live on.

F.: Dogma often programs people to “tolerate suffering now in order to qualify for happiness later.” There is no “later,” so if happiness is to happen, it must happen now.

Furthermore, a “false sense” of comfort is likely an accurate characterization of your relative existence overall. Your history would probably show an absence of comfort in spite of any belief in the existence of an “eternal soul,” another concept dreamed up by men.

The fact that you accurately portray the sense of comfort as "false" is a sign of awakening to truth. Recent studies show that the majority of the people in the U.S. suffer either depression or anxiety, but most are in denial about their true, relative state. Being dissociated, many claim, “I have a pretty good life, actually.” They have suffered depression or anxiety or both for so long that they take that to be “normal.”

As for the soul, show me the soul. Where it is located? Can an x-ray maybe reveal it? If it is to last forever, what is it made of? Is it flimsy...gauzy...solid...lighter than air so it can float? Does it have a mind? Can it talk? If there were a hell, the soul would have to be capable of feeling physical and mental pain, but wait…it's not physical since it cannot be found or located or photographed or evidenced now.

If there were an eternal soul, would it need to eat? If so, will food laws be followed by those souls? Which of the three food plans for the three different metabolic types will be served? Will Catholics eat fish on Fridays again?

Will Jews and Muslims avoid pork? Will the “really spiritual souls” be vegetarians and vegans? Will Hindus still not eat meat or fish or fowl and continue to be protein-deprived? Would eternal souls have to farm, or will food be provided magically/supernaturally? With no body whereby digestion can happen, what happens to the food served at the "banquets" that are promised by some religions?

If there is no body, how can the Muslim men enjoy their orgies of fornication with multiple women? And what of those Muslim women who are servicing those martyrs? Is the Islamic man's heaven an Islamic woman's hell? Talk about duality.

And is it true that a Mormon woman's soul must know her secret code name in order to be pulled through a veil by her husband-god and that, if she is not married at the time of her "death," she cannot enter into heaven at all? What happens to the souls in that category? All very confusing to anyone not programmed to unquestioningly accept such outlandish tales on blind faith.

Further, if it has no eternal body to sustain it, how would a soul supposedly function? Will “bill's soul” have male appendages like the god that bill was told about...the one “in whose image you were supposedly made”? Or will there be multiple gods as claimed by some of the religions that are not based in the words of Abraham?

Co-dependent relations here in the relative existence are maddening, so will your soul be in an eternal, co-dependent relationship with a god whom you can now supposedly make happy if you're good and sad if you're bad?

Will it be maddening for eternity, living with a god that can supposedly be made angry enough to damn you to pain forever if you make that “super being” super mad? How powerful is that god, really, if his mood can be controlled by unstable mortals?

(Finally, though, that might provide the answer to why an all-powerful god does not prevent all of the suffering and killing and torture of “his children” on earth: he can’t even control himself and his own emotional state, that being dependent on what humans do or do not do. Humans, instead, control him. Interesting, oui?)

Clear seeing, which can only happen in the absence of belief in all of the nonsense that has been taught, can lead to "The Eureka Moment" when you shout, Oh my gosh! They really bs’ed me because they had been fooled too. Now I see clearly." Please enter the silence of contemplation. (To be continued)

RELATED TO TODAY’S POST:

AN ONLINE COURSE IN THE ADVAITA VEDANTA PHILOSOPHY (You may visit http://advaitaclasses.blogspot.com/ for details.)

Also:

[Several books are offered for beginners. More information regarding the “Advaita Beginner’s Package” is available at http://floydhenderson.com/order.htm ]

LIBERATION is a guide to elimination of personality; BULLSHIT is, among other things, an invitation to reject cultural influences to accumulate (including the accumulation of money and excess property and personas and more and more religious beliefs and/or spiritual knowledge and co-dependent entanglements that are intended to provide “happiness”):

Click LIBERATION

and

Click IT’S ALL BULLSHIT

ONE WHO HAS BEEN SEEKING “ALL HIS LIFE” IS NOW INVESTIGATING THE ADVAITA “PATH,” Part Two

FROM A SITE VISITOR: If I'm not my body and and am aware of my consciousness even if I lost most of it's parts and I'm becoming conscious that I wasn't created so don't die but i return to the source or the field of consciousness from whence i came after my manifestation-am I conscious of this return? Thanks in advance. Bill

F.: [Continued from yesterday] Compare that energy returning to the field of energy with a glass of water tossed into the ocean. As soon as it is tossed into the ocean, try to grab it with your hands and bring it back. You might get a part of it, or you might get none of it.

Furthermore, while that H20 was said to be water and snow and ice and rivers and oceans and streams, etc., all based on appearance, it was really ONE thing: H2O. So it is when energy manifests in what appears to be varied forms but is, in truth, just ONE thing: energy...specifically, energy with the property of "being able to be aware of" if manifested in some space with a nervous system.

So, before manifestation, there is no "one" to know. After manifestation, the ability to know Self is generally lost via programming. Via the Advaita Teachings, You might cast aside the belief in all those lies you were told and come to know Who/What YOU Truly Are. After the period of manifestation ends, there is again no "one" to know. The elements of the earth from which the body was made return to dust as those elements blend with the universal pool of elements; the breath rejoins the universal pool of air; and the consciousness rejoins the universal pool of conscious-energy (a.k.a., The Absolute).

Aware of the Oneness, self-destructive and destructive conduct vanish since both were driven by desire and fear and wanting to accumulate. Post Realization, de-accumulation happens, there is no need to harm "others" since no desires drive behavior, and there is no striking out at "others" or "the world" since the fear behind all that type of behavior is also abandoned. There is no ego-state, so there is no egotism that drives destructive conduct. Then, the remainder of the manifestation happens spontaneously and "bill" lives AS IF...as if this stuff is real or matters but knowing the secret that only the Realized know: it's all much ado about nothing.

BILL: So in a sense when you say the only thing that matters is right now what you mean is that once we go back into the field of consciousness there is no awareness of the prior manifestation and there probably wont be another-and if I want, the most I can do is set aside all the crap I have bought (Ideas, beliefs even those in AA, and emotions) which gives me a chance to know what I am not to find out who I am. There is no life after, which I have been taught to believe.

F.: And now you could possibly ask, “Who told me that there is a life after, and their belief is based in what factual evidence?” Also, there is only now since “the past” is a conglomeration of false perceptions and memories and impressions and the future is just an imagining generated by the “mind” which is also a conglomeration of lies.

Incidentally, time is an invention of Anglo-Saxons and religion with their timelines of birth-life-death-judgment-eternity in one place or another. Timelines are phony concepts. It is cycles (or, a circle) that more accurately point toward the fact of this matter, not straight lines. Please enter the silence of contemplation. (To be continued)

RELATED TO TODAY’S POST:

AN ONLINE COURSE IN THE ADVAITA VEDANTA PHILOSOPHY (You may visit http://advaitaclasses.blogspot.com/ for details.)

Also:

[Several books are offered for beginners. More information regarding the “Advaita Beginner’s Package” is available at http://floydhenderson.com/order.htm ]

Click LIBERATION

and

Click IT’S ALL BULLSHIT

[The book entitled LIBERATION is a guide to elimination of personality; the BULLSHIT book is, among other things, an invitation to reject cultural influences to accumulate, including the accumulation of money and excess property and personas and more and more religious beliefs and/or spiritual knowledge and co-dependent entanglements that are intended to provide “happiness”]

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ONE WHO HAS BEEN SEEKING “ALL HIS LIFE” IS NOW INVESTIGATING THE ADVAITA “PATH,” Part One

FROM A SITE VISITOR: If I'm not my body and and am aware of my consciousness even if I lost most of it's parts and I'm becoming conscious that I wasn't created so don't die but i return to the source or the field of consciousness from whence i came after my manifestation-am I conscious of this return? Thanks in advance. Bill

F.: Here's the way the scenario unfolds:

Energy with the capacity TO BE CONSCIOUS OF manifested in a space called “a plant.” The manifesting starts there (and that's why any resulting body is a plant food body). Nowadays, you either eat plants to sustain the manifestation of consciousness or you eat an animal that ate plants.

Your dad and mom ate plants (or plant-eating animals) and some of the plants became cells of various types, including sperm cells and egg cells, respectively. An act of friction began a process whereby a sperm cell-cum-consciousness encountered an egg-cum-consciousness.

Everything that happened during the following nine months happened spontaneously, all driven by consciousness, just as your breathing and digestion happen under the auspices of consciousness with no effort on your part.

Because of the spontaneous nature of consciousness, the sperm and egg cells “knew” what to do with no prodding on the part of your so-called parents. (Your mom didn’t say with a grunting noise, “Don’t bother me…I’m making a baby brain today. Check back with me in twenty-four hours if you want to visit since I’ll only be focusing on making some toes tomorrow.”)

In fact, nothing was “made” or “created.” Plant food-cum-consciousness continued for months to supply the elements and the consciousness required for “bill” to take form. An entire planet became populated in that same, spontaneous fashion.

Similarly, the consciousness manifested in what is called “an acorn” can generate a forest, eventually, with no prodding or guidance. The same happened after persons evolved and generated a mass of people, and no one had to teach anyone anything. Copulation and/or seeding comes naturally. It all happens automatically, whether the subject is “humans,” “acorns,” “birds,” etc.

Before the speck of energy that underwent a process that allowed a space-cum-consciousness to manifest and be called “Bill,” there was no one in the field of energy to be aware of anything. (So much for “sacred contracts.”)

Manifested, You—the consciousness—can be aware of ItSelf, but programming and conditioning and enculturation convinced you that you were many other things: boy, good boy, bad boy, student, husband, low-life drunk, good alcoholic, spiritual man, etc.

As long as the consciousness is manifested—and as long as brain damage is not an issue, then “bill” can do what the literature in that program you joined suggests: he can “cast aside ideas, emotions, and attitudes (beliefs)” and come into contact with—can have an awareness of—“the Great Reality.”

That term does not refer to a three-dimensional god that is "a he or him" by virtue of having male appendages (appendages that he would do what with, exactly? Is it not amazing, the level of illogical nonsense that is accepted without question, once the pure consciousness has been corrupted?)

Yet when persons are programmed (or join some program or church or temple or mosque that re-programs them or reinforces their blind faith) then the questioning of nonsense cannot happen. If it does, you are assured that very stiff penalties will follow any questioning of their concepts.

Thus, blindness rules, and "their" contradictions and inconsistencies better not be questioned if one is looking for “love” and “acceptance,” as most persons are. (The search for "love," which is really a search for many other things that have nothing whatsoever to do with "Love," drives most humans who have never known unconditional love. The closest you will ever come to witnessing True Love manifest will be in the company of the Fully Realized that understand the Oneness. It cannot happen among persons who believe in “separation.”)

The book you have previously studied claims that you can be “rocketed” or “catapulted into the fourth dimension.” Interesting, is it not, that you can supposedly become four-dimensional but the god you are then in contact with is still a three-dimensional male figure?

So yes, you can be conscious of the fact that You will return to the pool of energy, but when the energy is not manifested via some space with a nervous system, that conscious-energy can know nothing. It only maintains the potential to know, which can happen if it should enter into a cycle of manifestation...which is nothing more than chance. Please enter the silence of contemplation. (To be continued)

RELATED TO TODAY’S POST:

[Several books are offered for beginners. More information regarding the “Advaita Beginner’s Package” is available at http://floydhenderson.com/order.htm ]

Click LIBERATION

and

Click IT’S ALL BULLSHIT

[The book entitled LIBERATION is a guide to elimination of personality; the BULLSHIT book is, among other things, an invitation to reject cultural influences to accumulate, including the accumulation of money and excess property and personas and more and more religious beliefs and/or spiritual knowledge and co-dependent entanglements that falsely promise to provide “happiness.”]

and

Click SPIRITUAL SOBRIETY

and

Click WHAT HAPPENS WHEN I DIE?

and

Click THERE’S NO SUCH THING AS “PEACE OF MIND” (There Is Only Peace If You’re Out of Your Mind)