From a site visitor: “My wife ordered one of your books on Christians and I disagree with you completely. You say that most Christians don’t have a clue what Christ was talking about. What do you think you know that He was talking about that we don’t know?”
F.: First, if you had read the entire book instead of reacting to a pointer, you would know the answer to your question. The only reason your query is being addressed on this site is because it concerns the teachings of an Advaitan who offered 2000 years ago the very same message that is being offered on this site today. Next, I haven’t a clue what you know or what you think you know, but I do know that most who accept the label “Christian” don’t have a clue what Christ was talking about...
...if they think his later teachings did not contradict his earlier teachings
...if they think he said anything that had not already been said by many others
...if they think he spoke of people going to heaven or hell after “death”
...if they think he claimed that he came to bring peace
...if they think he taught “family values”
...if they think his message was a message of “love”
...if they think his ministry was anything other than an offering of the ancient Advaita teachings that had come to the Middle East from the Far East
...if they think his talk of the “I AM” is best addressed by current ministerial claims that “some parts of his teachings are presented in mysterious ways and we cannot understand it all at this time, but we will understand it all someday.”
His early teachings were from what the Jews considered their “holy” writings and were offered via the venue of organized religion and in their “holy” buildings; his later teachings abandoned all “holy” writings, were offered outside any “holy” buildings, and were nothing more nor less than the ancient Advaita teachings. He abandoned organized religion, he spoke of the Advaita teachings that were beyond any “holy texts,” he made no effort to create a new organized religion, and—as with any Realized Advaitan—he would not have supported the establishment of any religion organized in his name and supposedly based in “his words” or in any written text. Advaitans know that nothing he said during his three-year ministry from age 30 to age 33 was “his words” at all but were the words of an Advaitan who obviously taught him during his years in the desert. To show how different modern “Christian” teachings are from the Advaita teachings that Christ offered, the following can be studied:
He said that heaven and earth shall fade away. (When? When the consciousness that dreamed up such ideas or that believes in such ideas “fades away,” that is, unmanifests.)
He said that no one would ever see the kingdom of heaven because it is within. (If heaven is "within" and is not a geographic place "out there somewhere," then there is no place where any god could be waiting for you to die so he can judge you.)
He spoke of “Gehanna,” not “hell.”
He said that he did not come in peace but came with a sword. He said that he came to turn a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. (In other words, he invited the dissolution of all ego-states. Too, on one occasion he struck a friend causing serious injury and on another took up a whip and beat people. Not very "peaceful.")
He did not speak of the "family values" or “the value of family” but spoke instead of the lack of value of families, pointing out that “a man's enemies will be the members of his own household.” (Why? Because family members are the ones who most warp the consciousness as they provide much of the programming, the conditioning and the bastardization of the pure consciousness. Children are taught to “beware of strangers,” but the facts show that most will be harmed far more by “relatives” or “friends.”)
He said that you must hate your father, mother, wife, children, brothers, and sisters. (All roles and attachments to false identities have to go, according to him.)
What he was really teaching was the ancient “I AM THAT I AM” message of non-duality, a term discussed for thousands of years before Moses plagiarized it and assigned it to a burning bush. Christ said, “When you speak of me, speak of me as I AM” and “Before Abraham was, I AM.” During his “Lost Years” between the time he moved to the desert and later returned to Jerusalem, he was instructed by an Advaitan teacher. How is that known? Because he repeated Jewish teachings before going to the desert but he offered the Advaita teachings after he returned. His final three years (the thousand days of his actual "ministry") were an offering of the non-duality message: there is no geographic heaven or hell where bodies with minds spend eternity; all ego-states and attachments to false identities should be abandoned; and the only thing that can said with any validity in this manifestation is “I AM.”
So, back to your comments and question: Did you know he said all that? Did you have a clue what he was really talking about when he said all that? Do you now understand what he meant when he said all that? Do you now see how different his message was from what is currently being taught? Do you see how programmed you are to defend anything deemed "Christian" before finding out the facts? Do you see that you haven't had a clue as to what Christ was really talking about? If the message of Christ is not about family values, not about working to be "saved," and not about seeking heaven or avoiding hell, then what was his message to "you"/You? Is it time to abandon what "they" told you and to go into the silence and find out what You know but have forgotten? Isn't it time to forget Christ and to remember Your Self? Please enter the silence of contemplation.
TOMORROW: “I’m re-reading some of the entries on your site, and I did sit in the silence of contemplation the way you said, but I cannot grasp how it is that the I AM will not be known when the consciousness enters what you called on Feburary 22nd the universal pool of consciousness. Please explain. Thank you.”
F.: First, if you had read the entire book instead of reacting to a pointer, you would know the answer to your question. The only reason your query is being addressed on this site is because it concerns the teachings of an Advaitan who offered 2000 years ago the very same message that is being offered on this site today. Next, I haven’t a clue what you know or what you think you know, but I do know that most who accept the label “Christian” don’t have a clue what Christ was talking about...
...if they think his later teachings did not contradict his earlier teachings
...if they think he said anything that had not already been said by many others
...if they think he spoke of people going to heaven or hell after “death”
...if they think he claimed that he came to bring peace
...if they think he taught “family values”
...if they think his message was a message of “love”
...if they think his ministry was anything other than an offering of the ancient Advaita teachings that had come to the Middle East from the Far East
...if they think his talk of the “I AM” is best addressed by current ministerial claims that “some parts of his teachings are presented in mysterious ways and we cannot understand it all at this time, but we will understand it all someday.”
His early teachings were from what the Jews considered their “holy” writings and were offered via the venue of organized religion and in their “holy” buildings; his later teachings abandoned all “holy” writings, were offered outside any “holy” buildings, and were nothing more nor less than the ancient Advaita teachings. He abandoned organized religion, he spoke of the Advaita teachings that were beyond any “holy texts,” he made no effort to create a new organized religion, and—as with any Realized Advaitan—he would not have supported the establishment of any religion organized in his name and supposedly based in “his words” or in any written text. Advaitans know that nothing he said during his three-year ministry from age 30 to age 33 was “his words” at all but were the words of an Advaitan who obviously taught him during his years in the desert. To show how different modern “Christian” teachings are from the Advaita teachings that Christ offered, the following can be studied:
He said that heaven and earth shall fade away. (When? When the consciousness that dreamed up such ideas or that believes in such ideas “fades away,” that is, unmanifests.)
He said that no one would ever see the kingdom of heaven because it is within. (If heaven is "within" and is not a geographic place "out there somewhere," then there is no place where any god could be waiting for you to die so he can judge you.)
He spoke of “Gehanna,” not “hell.”
He said that he did not come in peace but came with a sword. He said that he came to turn a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. (In other words, he invited the dissolution of all ego-states. Too, on one occasion he struck a friend causing serious injury and on another took up a whip and beat people. Not very "peaceful.")
He did not speak of the "family values" or “the value of family” but spoke instead of the lack of value of families, pointing out that “a man's enemies will be the members of his own household.” (Why? Because family members are the ones who most warp the consciousness as they provide much of the programming, the conditioning and the bastardization of the pure consciousness. Children are taught to “beware of strangers,” but the facts show that most will be harmed far more by “relatives” or “friends.”)
He said that you must hate your father, mother, wife, children, brothers, and sisters. (All roles and attachments to false identities have to go, according to him.)
What he was really teaching was the ancient “I AM THAT I AM” message of non-duality, a term discussed for thousands of years before Moses plagiarized it and assigned it to a burning bush. Christ said, “When you speak of me, speak of me as I AM” and “Before Abraham was, I AM.” During his “Lost Years” between the time he moved to the desert and later returned to Jerusalem, he was instructed by an Advaitan teacher. How is that known? Because he repeated Jewish teachings before going to the desert but he offered the Advaita teachings after he returned. His final three years (the thousand days of his actual "ministry") were an offering of the non-duality message: there is no geographic heaven or hell where bodies with minds spend eternity; all ego-states and attachments to false identities should be abandoned; and the only thing that can said with any validity in this manifestation is “I AM.”
So, back to your comments and question: Did you know he said all that? Did you have a clue what he was really talking about when he said all that? Do you now understand what he meant when he said all that? Do you now see how different his message was from what is currently being taught? Do you see how programmed you are to defend anything deemed "Christian" before finding out the facts? Do you see that you haven't had a clue as to what Christ was really talking about? If the message of Christ is not about family values, not about working to be "saved," and not about seeking heaven or avoiding hell, then what was his message to "you"/You? Is it time to abandon what "they" told you and to go into the silence and find out what You know but have forgotten? Isn't it time to forget Christ and to remember Your Self? Please enter the silence of contemplation.
TOMORROW: “I’m re-reading some of the entries on your site, and I did sit in the silence of contemplation the way you said, but I cannot grasp how it is that the I AM will not be known when the consciousness enters what you called on Feburary 22nd the universal pool of consciousness. Please explain. Thank you.”
