Hi Floyd,
Great excitement and joy in coming across your website. Can\'t tell you how much I had wanted to ask someone about this question that\'s in mind. There are moments when the unreality of all that\'s around us, including the body and mind, is clearly seen and discarded. A wonderful state comes where not-even-the-I exist. This of course, is known only after coming out of that state. Now, the mind wants to repeat this again and stay put in that state. Its making all conscious efforts possible to get back to where it came from. Now, why is it very anxious? I sometimes, want death also to occur at the moment when this realization is strong. Afraid a bit that i might again forget to be THAT, like forgetting my TRUE SELF. What\'s the remedy for the aching mind? Vigneshwar
F.: Hello, Vigneshwar. Welcome to the site and thanks for writing. Several e-mails were ahead of yours in the queue, but when yours was received this morning, its content caused the consciousness to move it to the head of the line.
Everything in your letter has been addressed in previous postings on this site, so the typical suggestion would be to offer some keywords for you to search, using the engine at the top of this page. [That is still a recommendation, but an immediate reply is still warranted since you’re new to the site.]
The first half of your mail describes a common cycle of experiences among those who are in the process of “getting it” but who have not yet “gotten it.” What do those colloquialisms refer to? To understand what “it” is and how it was “lost” and how to “get it back,” understand this: Realization happens in seven, clear-cut steps that are the exact reverse of the seven steps that separate programmed humans from the Absolute and a state of pure consciousness to a state of corrupted consciousness in which they identify with the body and "mind" and multiple personas.
Here is an overview of the process that shifted You from being the Absolute to that belief you are discarding that you are a body: a natural movement occurred whereby a portion of the “energy-at-rest” that is the Absolute manifested in a space; because of unnatural programming and conditioning and enculturation and genetic influences, the purity of that consciousness began to undergo a corrupting process; the space called "Vigneshwar" merely witnessed at first; then, it might have experienced the bliss of the Child Ignorance state; next it might have experienced the assignment of spiritual roles (such as “Our precious Vigneshwar is a gift from god”); then, as a result of more faulty programming, a “mind” began to develop and became a storehouse of learned ignorance, containing all of the lies and concepts and dogma and myths and superstitions that were taught; that “mind” was eventually programmed to assume (and then believe in) dozens or scores or hundreds of other false identities in addition to that spiritual role assigned earlier; finally, identification became focused on the physical body.
If lost in the dark wilderness, retrace your steps. Follow in reverse the path that moved you into that darkness. You have begun that process and you’re moving back toward the light. You are taking some steps forward and a few backwards and then a few more forward. That is okay. Do not judge your “self” for the fluctuations in consciousness that will continue until you fixate in the Absolute.
So, to clarify the earlier pointer that you are “getting it” but have not yet having “gotten it,” “it” refers to the totally re-purified consciousness. “Lost” is in quote marks because the duality of “loss vs. gain” is a lie. Consciousness is organic energy when manifested, and energy can neither be created nor destroyed, neither gained nor lost. You need not gain anything for the peace you seek to manifest. You need but take all seven steps from the “I” to Realization. And for that peace to manifest, understand that the “death” that you mention must occur; however, the “death” that must happen is not the “death” of the physical body. It is the death of the illusions of body and “mind” and all personas that are assumed to define who you are when they actually define who you are not.
Take no action between now and tomorrow’s posting except to consider this, if you will: you report that the “mind” wants to stay in the peace of that understanding and that you want to stabilize in the bliss of understanding that you are not the mind or the body. That will never be a desire that can be fulfilled, Vigneshwar. You are saying that you want peace of mind when the fact is, it is the “mind” that is the source of all disharmony and chaos. That makes clear where you are on the “path”: you are “stuck” on the second level, moving away from identifying solely with the body but trapped in the “mind” stage (and possibly moving in and out of the third level where religious or spiritual personas are assumed as "new" identities). There are four more steps beyond that, after which that stability which you seek can happen.
Freedom from the delusions and machinations and chaos of that “mind” can happen. You were born with a brain but not with a mind. People shoot themselves in the head to stop the incessant chattering of the mind as well as the chaotic pain that accompanies that uncontrollable movement. That need not happen. The "mind" can disappear and the brain can stay for the remainder of the manifestation of the consciousness. You have found a site where your position on the "path" can be idenitfied, along with the remaining steps to take to complete the "journey." More will be revealed tomorrow. Please stay tuned. For now, please enter into the silence of contemplation as you consider these points.
Great excitement and joy in coming across your website. Can\'t tell you how much I had wanted to ask someone about this question that\'s in mind. There are moments when the unreality of all that\'s around us, including the body and mind, is clearly seen and discarded. A wonderful state comes where not-even-the-I exist. This of course, is known only after coming out of that state. Now, the mind wants to repeat this again and stay put in that state. Its making all conscious efforts possible to get back to where it came from. Now, why is it very anxious? I sometimes, want death also to occur at the moment when this realization is strong. Afraid a bit that i might again forget to be THAT, like forgetting my TRUE SELF. What\'s the remedy for the aching mind? Vigneshwar
F.: Hello, Vigneshwar. Welcome to the site and thanks for writing. Several e-mails were ahead of yours in the queue, but when yours was received this morning, its content caused the consciousness to move it to the head of the line.
Everything in your letter has been addressed in previous postings on this site, so the typical suggestion would be to offer some keywords for you to search, using the engine at the top of this page. [That is still a recommendation, but an immediate reply is still warranted since you’re new to the site.]
The first half of your mail describes a common cycle of experiences among those who are in the process of “getting it” but who have not yet “gotten it.” What do those colloquialisms refer to? To understand what “it” is and how it was “lost” and how to “get it back,” understand this: Realization happens in seven, clear-cut steps that are the exact reverse of the seven steps that separate programmed humans from the Absolute and a state of pure consciousness to a state of corrupted consciousness in which they identify with the body and "mind" and multiple personas.
Here is an overview of the process that shifted You from being the Absolute to that belief you are discarding that you are a body: a natural movement occurred whereby a portion of the “energy-at-rest” that is the Absolute manifested in a space; because of unnatural programming and conditioning and enculturation and genetic influences, the purity of that consciousness began to undergo a corrupting process; the space called "Vigneshwar" merely witnessed at first; then, it might have experienced the bliss of the Child Ignorance state; next it might have experienced the assignment of spiritual roles (such as “Our precious Vigneshwar is a gift from god”); then, as a result of more faulty programming, a “mind” began to develop and became a storehouse of learned ignorance, containing all of the lies and concepts and dogma and myths and superstitions that were taught; that “mind” was eventually programmed to assume (and then believe in) dozens or scores or hundreds of other false identities in addition to that spiritual role assigned earlier; finally, identification became focused on the physical body.
If lost in the dark wilderness, retrace your steps. Follow in reverse the path that moved you into that darkness. You have begun that process and you’re moving back toward the light. You are taking some steps forward and a few backwards and then a few more forward. That is okay. Do not judge your “self” for the fluctuations in consciousness that will continue until you fixate in the Absolute.
So, to clarify the earlier pointer that you are “getting it” but have not yet having “gotten it,” “it” refers to the totally re-purified consciousness. “Lost” is in quote marks because the duality of “loss vs. gain” is a lie. Consciousness is organic energy when manifested, and energy can neither be created nor destroyed, neither gained nor lost. You need not gain anything for the peace you seek to manifest. You need but take all seven steps from the “I” to Realization. And for that peace to manifest, understand that the “death” that you mention must occur; however, the “death” that must happen is not the “death” of the physical body. It is the death of the illusions of body and “mind” and all personas that are assumed to define who you are when they actually define who you are not.
Take no action between now and tomorrow’s posting except to consider this, if you will: you report that the “mind” wants to stay in the peace of that understanding and that you want to stabilize in the bliss of understanding that you are not the mind or the body. That will never be a desire that can be fulfilled, Vigneshwar. You are saying that you want peace of mind when the fact is, it is the “mind” that is the source of all disharmony and chaos. That makes clear where you are on the “path”: you are “stuck” on the second level, moving away from identifying solely with the body but trapped in the “mind” stage (and possibly moving in and out of the third level where religious or spiritual personas are assumed as "new" identities). There are four more steps beyond that, after which that stability which you seek can happen.
Freedom from the delusions and machinations and chaos of that “mind” can happen. You were born with a brain but not with a mind. People shoot themselves in the head to stop the incessant chattering of the mind as well as the chaotic pain that accompanies that uncontrollable movement. That need not happen. The "mind" can disappear and the brain can stay for the remainder of the manifestation of the consciousness. You have found a site where your position on the "path" can be idenitfied, along with the remaining steps to take to complete the "journey." More will be revealed tomorrow. Please stay tuned. For now, please enter into the silence of contemplation as you consider these points.
