Thursday, April 15, 2010

A JOINT POSTING FROM THE SITE CO-HOSTS: On Personality (a.k.a., Ego) and Arrogance (a.k.a., Egotism), Part One

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Here, there is nothing that is believed, so there is no one here who wants you to believe anything, either. Here, the invitation is to be free of all that you have been programmed, conditioned, acculturated, and domesticated to believe so that you can be free, period.

This is the first joint posting and came about spontaneously yesterday. More may happen spontaneously…or not.

FROM A SITE VISITOR: Dear f: know youre not the form but the substance, but out of curiosity, several of us have said we'd like to know what the two forms-cum-consciousness (cohosts) look like? I know - you'll say 'appearance' - i say 'just curious'. Any chance?


F.: While “aiming to please” never happened in the loft and does not happen in this electronic loft, Maharaj did display a picture of his teacher, so we’ll play along with your curiosity. But first, acknowledgment of the speck of conscious-energy that is the most immediate in our lineage:


* That body-cum-consciousness *
* That speck called here “Our Mentor, Our Teacher” *
* Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj *


Now, the co-hosts:


* This body-cum-consciousness *
* This speck called here “A Co-Host” *
* Louise *

and


* This body-cum-consciousness *
* This speck called here “A Co-Host” *
* Floyd *

So, curious one, there you have it. Now, back to noting the message and forgetting about the messengers.

Received FROM A SITE VISITOR after the last series: Interesting in the April 13, 14 posts that the person who claimed to be realized was angry that you didn't see things his way. Ross

F.: So it is when one thinks he has transitioned personality (and its accompanying egotism) but has not, which moves the discussion to today's topic:

Why have so many Realized teachers, past and present, offered so many pointers on personality and being rid of its influence? This is the shocking news to those who are fixated in their "new and improved good roles," convinced that they have turned over their will to a god or gods:

the fact is, personality is more powerful than your god or gods in determining what you think and say and do, all other claims to the contrary notwithstanding and all degrees of lip service notwithstanding.

Louise: Being entranced by personality identification is like being moved by an invisible puppeteer. There is the appearance of spontaneous choice and action, yet every movement is predetermined by the programming set in place during early childhood.

F.: Exactly. When the relative existence happens under the auspices of personality, it is as if one is a dummy on the lap of a ventriloquist: it appears that the dummy is choosing to express its thoughts with words that it is choosing, and it looks as if its movements are happening by choice. In fact, all of that is being determined by a force behind the dummy.

Among the non-Realized masses on the planet, that force is personality. Consider the Type Eight Personality who claims to be a member of a “spiritual program.” That type is prone to raging and controlling and all sorts of excesses that go beyond the bounds of what most cultures might consider “acceptable” or “sane” or “mature” conduct.

In fact, the conduct is often what most cultures would label "pathological" or "sociopathic." Time and again such types have been heard to praise their god and give thanks for removing their defects; yet let them be challenged, and they once again explode in violent or near-violent outbursts.

Now, when that happens, was it their god inspiring that, or was it their Type Eight personality? As discussed in a series posted during November of 2009, entitled “The Evidence Is In: Personality Trumps God” (see archives if interested), it was shown that in spite of all the lip service that persons pay to their high level of development and to their belief that they are now “a new and changed and different person who has turned it all over to god,” their actions speak louder than their words. The underlying anger that dominates that personality type will eventually surface. Again:

L.: Being entranced by personality identification is like being moved by an invisible puppeteer.

F.: When persons assume a personality, they have identified with an ego-state. “Ego” in Latin is “I,” and in the Advaita teachings, the reference is to "the false I." When an ego-state manifests, that manifestation is soon followed by the use of ego-defense mechanisms that are employed by personalities to protect the false identity that is taken by the non-Realized to be real.

So personality and ego are one and the same, whereas egotism / arrogance are among the defense mechanisms that are used to support the lie of identity.

Now, one of the tenets of dogma or the tenets of spiritual programs is that egotism ends and humility begins once one is in conscious contact with a god / gods. The fact is, “The Religious One” and “The Spiritual One” are also ego-states, so they will use egotism on occasion to support those identities, preempting any possibility of humility showing up with any validity at all, much less with consistency.

L.: I am often fascinated how, encloaked by personality, people “judge” because they expect others to think, feel, behave and react just like they do. This is rampant egotism actually.

F.: Yes, and rampant egotism will always manifest when personality has been programmed or assigned or adopted. (A) Personality and (B) “godliness” or “humility” or “spirituality” cannot coexist. Personality nullifies all of those and is one of the hidden “forces” that function as the “hidden agendas” which actually drive persons' thoughts and words and actions;

further, the fact is that the way personality drives thoughts and words and deeds is hidden from all who are trapped in personality—all such persons thinking that they are making choices when everything they think or say or do is determined by personality factors that they have no clue even exist.

Please enter the silence of contemplation. (To be continued)

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