[The following series of exchanges came during the Level Three discussions around transcending religious and spiritual personas. If the site visitor completed all seven steps, I suspect the content of any message would be quite different now; nevertheless, the exchanges provide an opportunity to review, to see a shift as it occurred, and to reinforce certain pointers]
From Andrea, Canada, Part One
Andrea: “I’m still enjoying your blogs...smiling at the one who "stormed" out. [The reference was to a person who was so consumed by his level three roles that he was driven to confront me and then leave angry. So it is.] Question: i understand that everything is a concept, that all that is really here is consciousness, god, brahman, whatever the label. And yet, isn't the mind also consciousness? Isn't the whole idea to witness the concepts, know that if they are coming from consciousness, that there is some truth to them as well, and yet it is not the whole truth…therefore having the non-attachment to the concepts? For example, i play a lot with vedic astrology and have yagyas (large pujas) performed for me...incredible experiences with both, and i know that i am just playing...having fun, opening more to the awakening...and these practices are not the "whole truth." Does this make sense? Perhaps you have more to add to this. Thanks andrea (in a place called canada)
Part Two
Andrea: “It does feel like years of conditioning based mainly on fears that we need to seek more, improve more, find more, be more...blah blah...it feels like in one's true nature there are no needs and desires...interesting...i feel i go in and out of this...sometimes...eureka!! i have it...and other times i am stuck in the suffering.”
From Andrea, Canada, Part One
Andrea: “I’m still enjoying your blogs...smiling at the one who "stormed" out. [The reference was to a person who was so consumed by his level three roles that he was driven to confront me and then leave angry. So it is.] Question: i understand that everything is a concept, that all that is really here is consciousness, god, brahman, whatever the label. And yet, isn't the mind also consciousness? Isn't the whole idea to witness the concepts, know that if they are coming from consciousness, that there is some truth to them as well, and yet it is not the whole truth…therefore having the non-attachment to the concepts? For example, i play a lot with vedic astrology and have yagyas (large pujas) performed for me...incredible experiences with both, and i know that i am just playing...having fun, opening more to the awakening...and these practices are not the "whole truth." Does this make sense? Perhaps you have more to add to this. Thanks andrea (in a place called canada)
Part Two
Andrea: “It does feel like years of conditioning based mainly on fears that we need to seek more, improve more, find more, be more...blah blah...it feels like in one's true nature there are no needs and desires...interesting...i feel i go in and out of this...sometimes...eureka!! i have it...and other times i am stuck in the suffering.”
F.: The postings on the site are addressing your current state, it seems. To look at the religious or spiritual personas objectively is the prerequisite for shifting to the next level. Only after transcending to the next level, level 4, can one be, can one witness, can one know the True Self, can one understand the being and the non-beingness and then the Absolute. Thus I say that the third level I'm discussing in the current posts is the ‘make-or-break’ point, for those who think they have arrived will not continue the journey. Thus, they will miss one intent: to eliminate the constant shifting described by you thusly...
i feel i go in and out of this...sometimes...eureka!! i have it..and other times i am stuck in the suffering.
...and to stabilize. Travel on with me, voyager. Much is yet to be seen!
...and to stabilize. Travel on with me, voyager. Much is yet to be seen!
Part Three
Andrea: “Wow...it is true. When i ask WHO would gain from these yagyas...i just go into this calm place as if there is nothing and nobody to gain anything. It feels like the "person" who wanted the yagyas did so out of a place of fear and wanting clarity in life.”
[To all site visitors: If all seven steps offered on the site were completed, what would now be included on a list of changes in perspective?]
Please enter the silence of contemplation. [To be continued 26 August 2005]
