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QUOTATIONS AND POINTERS dealing with NON-DUALITY, ADVAITA, NISARGA YOGA and more

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QUOTATIONS AND POINTERS dealing with NON-DUALITY, ADVAITA, NISARGA YOGA and more

[To continue with offering for your consideration non-duality-based pointers dealing with a variety of topics.]

Quotations and Pointers by Category and Subject Matter 

from 

Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj

 

REGARDING "THE ASSUMPTION OF THE ROLE OF EITHER 'THE SPIRITUAL GIANT' OR 'THE SUPER RELIGIOUS ONE'"


[A note to readers: It was noted recently that Maharaj advised seekers should " . . . go back, reverse, to the source" and "follow the same path by which you came."

There are multiple steps on that "reverse path," and it is at the third step that religious and or spiritual knowledge is sought and where religious and spiritual identities are assumed.

(According to research, 97% of the persons on the planet are assigned a religious role early on. On "the path," that false identity is augmented by, or replaced with, a spiritual role which, granted, must usually be played for a time.)

However, that step must be transitioned if the remainder of the "journey" to full realization is to occur and if the shift to total freedom from personality and persona-assumption and new-identity-adoption is to happen.

For those who are at step three and wish to stay there, they will not likely be interested in Maharaj's later pointers on the subject of spirituality. They might be more content reading the religious-role-reinforcing and the spiritual-role-reinforcing comments.

For those who are willing to consider Maharaj's later teachings on the subject of spirituality, he offered during his last years a reassessment of the bhakti-influenced talks in I AM THAT and advised seekers to stop reading that book, saying:

"That book and whatever was expounded at that time was only relevant for that period. I am speaking differently today, emphasizing different aspects."

What he offered later differed considerably from much of the content of his earlier talks, making clear that the pointers in I AM THAT will take you to the midpoint of "the path" but that his final talks point the way to the actual end of "the path."

Thus, his preferred teaching method and his preferred yoga varied over the decades as his focus shifted from an assorted combination of guru-bhakti yoga to bhakti yoga to jnana yoga to nisarga yoga.

In the end, the earlier shades of nisarga yoga began to blossom fully and singularly, and he became more direct and less concerned with bhakti yoga's religious and spiritual influences and more focused on inviting seekers to abide naturally rather than supernaturally / spiritually.

His pointers in this section are likely only for those that are willing to consider what he meant when he said "I am speaking differently today" and are only for seekers that are interested in understanding those "different aspects" as he offered pointers that could free seekers who were fixated at the midpoint of the "journey" and allow them to move on to the end of "the path."

The following quotes / pointers invited visitors to move beyond the third step on "the path," to abandon all roles - including religious and / or spiritual roles - and to complete the "journey" to full realization and to abide naturally.]

“From my angle, you are nothing. You have no identity.”

Questioner: "The scriptures say that we have our karma and our sins and that is why we are here."
Maharaj: "That is for the ignorant masses. One who has realized the Self-Knowledge 'I Am', for him these stories are of no use."

"Forget spirituality."

Follow your "normal inclinations."

"Just give up spirituality."

"I do not follow the spirituality of the masses."

"Whatever spiritual things you aspire to know are all happening in this objective world, in the illusion. All this is happening in the objective world. All is dishonesty. There is no truth in this fraud."

"I am not addicted to self-descriptions [such as] 'soham' and [such as] 'brahmasmi'."

[Note: "Soham" means, "I myself" or "It is I" or "He is I". "Brahmasmi" means, "I am Brahman" or "I am the Supreme" or "I am God" or "I am the Infinite Supreme Soul" or "I am part of the Brahman" - that being an implication of duality in itself.]

"Subsequent to that 'I Am' and body-mind, and in the realm of the mind, there occurs what you call 'spiritual seeking', or 'spiritual knowledge'. This is nonsense."

"I appeal to you with my folded hands: don't get into this spirituality."

"The sum total of my spirituality now is nothing. Even that word 'nothing' is not there, so there is no spirituality left."

“When the birth is disproved, the great noble meaning of spirituality and the meaning of this world—everything—is disproved.”

“If [persons] come face-to-face with that root, they will be stunned into silence.”

"After the information given to you by the mother, that you are a boy or girl, all your further acquisitions are by hearsay."

“From the Absolute no-knowing state, spontaneously, this consciousness ‘I am’ has appeared—there is no reason, no cause.”

"There is no such thing as spirituality; whatever is, is only this worldly life, in the five-elemental play."

"Those who have apperceived my knowledge will not fall prey to the logic or spirituality expounded by others."

Q.: "I want to live a good life, a holy life. What am I to do?"
M: "Go home; take charge of your father's business; look after your parents in their old age. Marry the girl who is waiting for you. Be loyal, be simple, be humble. Hide your virtue. Live silently."

Q.: "So many saints and mystics lived and died. They did not change my world."
M.: "How could they? Your world is not theirs, nor is theirs yours."

"I got involved in spirituality, in the business of spirituality, [but] finally I lost that love of ‘the Self’ also. I have no more love for ‘the Self’."

"Do your normal duties" 

and 

"just give up spirituality."

To be continued.

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Here, with those who are still driven to talk about "god," the "Son of god," the "Holy Spirit," "Buddha," "Krishna," etc., etc., etc., the invitation to them is to view those as verbs, not nouns.

THE EXPLANATION


If looked at as nouns, they point to illusions and are, therefore, a total waste of time to even discuss; if looked at as verbs which are resulting in certain sane but rare behaviors among humanity, then they are worthy of some attention during the relative existence.

Meaning? There are members of certain groups who say things such as "My concept of god in the past was of a weak god, an absentee god, A Santa Claus-type god, a mean, punishing, vindictive god, etc. Today, I am in close contact with a loving and caring god whom I worship and praise and glorify and give thanks to."

The reply to that usually goes like this: "If you are in contact with a god that wants to be worshipped and praised and glorified, then you're dealing with someone like yourself - a narcissist - and hanging out with narcissists will never bring an end to your narcissism (that narcissism evidenced by the fact that you think you are "godly").

Next, in the phrase 'loving and caring god,' any supposed god that truly had her or his act together would tell you that the totally irrelevant part of that phrase is 'god' and that the only part that is relevant is the "loving and caring" part.

"That is, a non-narcissistic their god / their goddess would say, "I care not an iota about being worshipped and praised and glorified by you or anyone else. How arrogant and insecure and needy would I have to be to want that? Forget the man-made, dreamed up noun 'god' and focus on the 'god as a verb' understanding and then go forth and let loving and caring be verbs - not adjectives - and let them generate the act of love and the act of caring and let those actions manifest through you." 

Yeshu'a (Jesus) and Pope John Paul II and Pope Francis were spot on:


"No one shall ever see 'the kingdom of heaven.' It is within"

--Yeshu'a (Jesus)

and 


"Heaven and earth shall fade away."

--Yeshu'a (Jesus)

and 


"Heaven and hell are not geographic places

but are states of mind, nothing more than

concepts dreamed up by men."

--Pope John Paul II 

"There is no hell."

--Pope Francis, the current pope

in an interview with journalist Eugenio Scalfari,

a writer used by the Pope to issue off the record

teachings which become a part of the Papal Magisterium.

[That said, would that the popes who have shown the courage to reject a core concept of their dogma - namely, "hell" - would find the additional courage required to question the very existence of their institution in light of the centuries-long cover-up of their history of raping children and in light of the mental and emotional and psychological scarring of billions of their members past and present.

And that need for courage also applies as questions need to be asked about why so many other sky cults are still being supported and allowed to continue to exist as well. When certain types of programming and conditioning have been shown to blind the masses, they should end. Will they? Not likely. Why?

Because what the masses think and say and do is most influenced by the international crime families which hold sway over the masses as criminals conduct their planet-wide operations. What are the major international crime families and which are the most influential and have the largest memberships?

The Mafia / La Cosa Nostra; the Catholic Church (with it 1.2 billion followers) whose Vatican Bank worked for decades with the Mafia while laundering mob earnings (for a 15% all-profit charge by the Bank); Protestant and Evangelical Churches (with over 1.2 billion followers) like the one I was raised in where the youth director molested and sexually assaulted young girls; big business which has long created environments in which people have been abused; powerful political bodies like the U.S. Congress, etc., etc., etc.)

With all of those crime families, neither the followers nor the leadership ever voluntarily step down or shut down their criminal activities. Be they gangs, organized crime families, religions, big business, politicians, etc., they all want control and they all want power and they all want money, and nothing internal will interfere with the driving forces at play.

The masses must demand that all those in charge must step down and their groups and institutions must shut down, and there's the real problem because the continuation of their crimes are enabled not as much by the people running such crime organizations as they are enabled by the masses of people who - wanting some perceived "payoff" - remain involved with them and give them money and support them and aid and abet the continued existence of those criminal enterprises and thus facilitate the ability of church criminals and political criminals and other types of criminals to continue to commit their crimes.] 

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