Thursday, November 11, 2010

THE ULTIMATE UNDERSTANDING: No "You" Existed Prior to Manifestation, Nor Will a "You" Exist Post-Manifestation, Part Two

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Here, there is nothing that is believed, so there is no one here who wants you to believe anything, either. Here, the invitation is to be free of all that you have been programmed, conditioned, acculturated, and domesticated to believe so that you can be free, period.

Furthermore, for those who have developed a preference for any non-nisargan yoga or who prefer Traditional Advaita Vedanta, Neo-Advaita, Neo-Vedanta, or Pseudo Advaita: here you will only find the use of the Direct Path Method of teaching along with the Nisarga (Natural) Yoga, all shared in simple, everyday English.

FROM A SITE VISITOR: No prior Me-ness? Surely there was something?

F.: [Visitors: Again, please note that the pointers in this reply are not for the seeker that is early along the "path," nor for those attached to beliefs that are based on the content of supposedly "holy" texts, nor for Spiritual Giants, next to whom I am a mere pygmy. As recently accused, "This is not spiritual awakening." Exactly! This is many steps beyond that level! You pegged Me spot on!

These pointers are for those that have done it all, sought it all, "gotten" most of it, and yet realize that there is some "final piece" that is still missing; thus, these talks are for only those at the highest state of readiness, those that have transcended all role-playing, including playing religious or spiritual roles.

The e-mail above with its brevity and directness and subject matter suggests the writer might be ready for the final understanding. So, to the questioning of a pointer in the previous series by the visitor, the response continues:]

F.: This final understanding is outright rejected prior to consideration by most on "the journey," truly despised by others. Many who claim to be totally Realized - which would require that they presently abide in a no-concept, no-identity, non-dual manner - nevertheless cling to their Advaita or Hindu or Vedanta concepts and cling to an identity, identifying "with" something Supreme or "as" something Supreme. So much for no-concept, no-identity abidance. So much for ego-less-ness and for egotism-less-ness.

Ego (whether the term refers to "identity" or "selfness" or "Selfness") is still identity, no matter its mind-and-persona-assigned "rank." If Krishna was pointing to truth when he reported that what follows the manifestation is beyond being and even beyond non-beingness, then Personal Identification is as big a hoax as personal identification.

And if Krishna was pointing to truth when he reported that what follows the manifestation is beyond being and even beyond non-beingness, then whatever preceded the manifestation also has nothing to do with beingness or even non-beingness (because whatever is real is unchanging, "then," "now," or "later").

Next, to WHOM could Personal Identification be important? To WHOM could Personal Identification be special? To WHOM could Personal Identification be noble? WHO is claiming "spiritual awakening" while denying others are awakened? WHO is "This Special Knower"?

Furthermore, WHO that looks objectively and clearly at the consequences of this manifested consciousness would give it any value? WHO - except those so attached to body and mind and personality (and to the perpetuation of this consciousness) - would accept it, if an option had been offered?

WHO - other than those desiring such perpetuation - would think it sane to desire multiple cycles in multiple "lesser" forms leading, supposedly, to some "greater" forms, all believed in with a willingness to experience cycle after cycle of misery and suffering and all satisfied with the prospect of having happiness eventually rather than grasping the bliss at the only time it can be known, which is right now?

WHO believes that there can be a knower and knowingness in the Absolute when no such thing is possible? Those who normalize suffering "here" and "now" in order to receive some reward "there" and "later"? Those who have assumed some spiritual or special identification now?

Maharaj's advice to one could apply to all: "I advise you to give up spirituality and follow your vocation."

and this:

Visitor: "The scriptures say that we have our karma and ours sins and that is why we are here."

Maharaj: "That is for the ignorant masses. One who has realized the Self-Knowledge 'I Am,' for him these stories are of no use."

See, your stories, all of them, are of no use; thus, you are invited to re-consider the biological, scientific facts introduced yesterday that can lead to this final understanding: for the seekers moving farther along the "path," it is to be understood that even the egg and sperm did not exist that would later be involved in the impregnation that nine months later resulted in what was called "the birth" of what was called "you."

You were also invited yesterday to:

Go back - trace what you think yourself to be. Move back from (7) the conception to (6) a sperm set into motion to spontaneously seek an egg to (5) an act of friction to (4) plant food cells being transformed into sperm and egg cells to (3) plant food being prepared and eaten to (2) plant food being acquired to (1) plants being grown.

And you were invited additionally to consider this:

the end game here lies not in the teaching method but in the yoga ... not in acquiring new knowledge but in being free of all knowledge and living as naturally as everything else on the planet lives ... except humans.

So, to continue with the process of debunking your belief about a "prior Me-ness":

The food particles / cells within two humans which would combine with each other through an act of friction - entered into for their pleasure and not at all with "you" in mind - began a process that would someday be called "you";

however, those particles / cells did not even exist until a few days prior to conception. How could "you" have been "prior to" when the plant food elements that would form the space that they would call "you" had not even been consumed, much less transformed yet into eggs and sperm?

In the last series, "Presence" and "the Composite Unity" were discussed. You can speak of being the consciousness or the conscious-energy, but here, what registers is not even that. Here, what registers is a feeling only, and that feeling is not "I am present" but is "I am Presence."

[Notice: To emphasize for the "advanced" seeker, understand that the message is not "You are present and she is present and I am present." Most accurately, the statement is, "I am Presence." That alone do I feel.]

On the patio this morning, a bird was sitting on the edge of the table. After preparing a cup of breve and then going outside and approaching the table, the bird flew away. Why? Did it have "a thought?" No. Was it conscious of some verbalized lesson taught? No.

It moved away merely because the manifested consciousness allowed it to sense its Presence. Combine that with the desire of the manifested consciousness to extend itself and voilĂ  - the movement away. If talk of the presence of consciousness fits more with the understanding you have at this point, fine, use that for now.

At some point, though, if You reach the final understanding that is being pointed to here, You will allow Me to pour into You the Ultimate Medicine that acts as what is called here "a type of dissolving agent." (Again, this talk too is only for those at the highest state of readiness.)

Then, all of your sense of Me-ness and a prior Me and a post-manifestation Me will dissolve into nothingness. There will be no you ... no You ... no individual ...nothing personal ... nothing Personal ... and, in the end ... not even the consciousness of "being present."

Want peace? There it is. In sleep, there is no sense of being present that is being registered. Prior to, as the Absolute, there was no "being present" that was registering. Post to, as the Absolute, there will be no "being present" that will register.

If there is a WHO involved, "being present" will register and you'll fly about like that bird this morning that became disturbed because it wants its "being present" to continue.

The bird this morning had no choice, but you might. If you become free of being driven by personas, (especially your "good" spiritual persona vs. your former "bad" roles that you have supposedly abandoned), which would you choose?

Presence and peace, or "being present" and fluctuating between peace and disturbance? Playing spiritual roles for the next forty years, or living naturally and joyfully now, day by day?

Strutting about in a fine cloak of spirituality that requires constant maintenance, or moving through this relative existence in a low-maintenance garb (as is the case with the one here that is admittedly a tiny pygmy when next to the Spiritual Giants who occasionally approach and hover overhead and look down at this tiny speck)?

Please enter the silence of contemplation. (To be continued)

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I would like to extend deepest appreciation towards you for these teachings that you have offered. It has been most valuable towards what may not have been revealed throughout this manifestation labeled "anthony." Understanding Truth and finding words for gratitude are one as is all. Thank you again for pointing "me" to THAT and the understanding that came as well. Hopeful for future "contact"! Sincerely, Anthony M. W.

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