Advaita Vedanta: WHEN "SUPPOSED REALIZATION" IS JUST ANOTHER DISTORTION, Part Five

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FROM A SITE VISITOR: [This exchange after yesterday's post]:

Visitor: "Wow - what a post! This line had a big impact: 'In that state of Awareness, there is nobody (no body) and there is no 'mind' that 'has consciousness' of anything, including presence."

F.: The irony of the post-Realization existence is that there is total awareness of Presence without any sense of presence. YOU understand that, yes?

V.: "I understand."

"HEALING" AND "ANGELS" (Continued from yesterday, the conclusion)
F.: So, as far as "healing" is concerned, is there not already enough relative harm being generated by planet-wide tomfoolery and widespread quackery and medical malpractice without adding to the problem, especially when the one claiming he can heal is also claiming that he hears voices in his head as entities in other realms are speaking to him?

Are there not already enough persons with grave mental and emotional disorders whose issues require professional treatment plans rather than having their problems aggravated by the armchair psychologists in groups who brag of their "dollar-an-hour-therapy"?

Yet for those who are so grandiose as to think that they can do (without any training) what professionals train for a decade in universities to do, so it is; however, it is the claim that one is talking to entities in other realms that provides an opportunity to offer an explanation that can lead to the most relevant understanding, so the salient pointers that can lead to "the ultimate understanding" include the following:

1. The concept of presence prior to and after manifestation is nonsense;

2. Concepts about "definite, personal forms" prior to and after manifestation are false;

and

3. Talk of pre- or post-manifestation personal materiality or physicality is rubbish.

Then what must be understood are the facts concerning:

4. Presence

and the facts concerning

5. The composite unity.

An understanding of the facts regarding those five subjects can lead seekers into the heart of what is offered here as the essence of "the end game" ... as the essence of "the final understanding."

The concepts of (1) presence and (2) definite, personal forms and (3) personal materiality or physicality all existing prior to and after manifestation
All this talk about pre-existing forms with "sacred contracts" and about former lives and about "surviving souls" and about gauzy, post-manifestation, angelic formations are nothing more than false beliefs, beliefs rooted in the phenomenal but then "upgraded" by egos and egotism, inspiring such claptrap as this:

"Here on earth, we are humans, but when we die, our souls will live forever and our bodies will become half-person and half -bird and we can fly about in the skies here and in the heavens beyond, where we will be reunited with our loved ones forever."

The fact is that "the soul" is nothing more than a fictional upgrade of a human form and, according to Maharaj, what persons call "the soul" is nothing more than "a kind of spiritual personality." For families to recognize each other and to be reunited after mahasamadhi, they would have to have bodies that are recognizable, even if embodied only as some type of gossamer or ethereal or diaphanous formation.

Also, the "mind" would have to survive in tact for them to know each other, and some "kind of spiritual personality or personalities" would have to survive for them to continue to play some of their former roles (wife, husband, daughter, son) along with their new heavenly roles.

Maharaj: "All the stories of reincarnation [and] rebirth are mere stories meant for the ignorant masses."

Presence
Yet Maharaj taught: "The presence itself is not there in the Absolute." That means it was not there prior to manifestation and it is not there post-manifestation. This "Am-ness" itself is "presence," and prior to manifestation, there was no sense of presence. Post-manifestation, there shall be no sense of presence either.

Prior to manifestation, there was no personification. Post-manifestation, there will be no personification. Personification is the "stuff" of the relative existence, of the manifestation, of the blocked consciousness, of the assumption of personality and personas. [NOTE: The seven-step "journey" to Realization is merely a series of steps along a "path" that results in persons being totally de-personalized.]

To repeat Maharaj: "Whatever is, is an expression of consciousness only. If consciousness is not there, the expression of consciousness is not there either." This Is-ness is time-bound. You were not originally, and the Is-ness was not.

Persons want to claim that "their true You-ness was, even prior to manifestation," but prior to manifestation there was no "I was-ness" or "you-were-ness." Post-manifestation, there will be no conscious presence, no "Am-ness," no "Is-ness," no "beingness" (and no non-beingness either, for that matter).

Spontaneously, this Am-ness came, but it is time-bound so there was no "prior Am-ness" and there shall be no "post-Am-ness" or "post-beingness"). Krishna said explicitly that you are beyond both the beingness and non-beingness. How much clearer can that be?

The Composite Unity
Maharaj said that science would one day advance as far as these teachings and offer concrete prove of their validity. That day is here as far as the composite unity is concerned.

At the instant of mahasamadhi, the vital breath will leave the body and return to the universal pool of air; the consciousness will begin to be freed from the body-cum-consciousness and will eventually merge with the pool of universal conscious-energy; and the elemental, plant-food body will eventually return to the universal pool of elements.

To understand that is to be free of the misery and suffering that are generated by belief in egotism-supported ego-states. Which of the components of the composite unity can feel hurt or threatened or offended? Can anyone personally offend air? Personally offend earth elements? Personally offend energy?

A woman in Louisiana spends fifteen to twenty hours a week online, searching for her ancestors, looking for someone famous in her lineage that will give her ego something to brag about. She speaks at times of how offended she is by those who question the fact that she spends so much time and energy involved in such ego-boosting activity.

The question asked here is: "Could anyone be personally offended or justifiably proud if it is understood that your ancestors and my ancestors are plants?"

Your grandmother was grain. Your grandfather was vegetables. Do you understand why those attached to their holy texts disdain that message offered here? Most persons - being trapped in arrogance as they are - prefer the (ironic) words that Shakespeare put into the mouth of Hamlet whose mental faculties disintegrate before the eyes of the audience as the play progresses:

"What a piece of work is a man, how noble in reason, how infinite in faculties, in form and moving how express and admirable, in action how like an angel, in apprehension how like a god! The beauty of the world, the paragon of animals...." The Realized poet meant for the audience to understand that was hogwash, and hogwash it is.

"Man" and "woman" are nothing more than earth, air, and temporarily-manifested energy of several types, conscious-energy being but one. But the composite unity you are not. When the parts of that composite unity return to the various pools from which they "came," there will be no man or woman, no angel or demon, no god or goddess.

There will be ... nothing. Maharaj: "If there is nothingness" (and there is) "then there is nothing left of an individual either." So much for the concepts of prior or post-manifestation presence or talk of any kind of definite, personal forms or belief in any kind of personal materiality or any kind of personal physicality.

Please enter the silence of contemplation. (To be continued)

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