MAHARAJ AND THE RELIGION VS. SCIENCE DEBATE

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MAHARAJ AND THE RELIGION VS. SCIENCE DEBATE 

"Science will someday advance to the point that it will confirm the validity of the non-dual teachings." 

--Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj

Maharaj said that "Realization is but the opposite of ignorance." How many will ever realize and be free of ignorance?

Maharaj estimated at one point that only 1 in 100,000 would ever grasp the non-dual teachings and realize (meaning, be free from living under the influence of what he called "their 'knowledge,' which is actually learned ignorance").

After additional years of trying to pass along the non-dual understanding, he would change that estimate to 1 in 1,000,000.

Eventually, after working with more and more seekers, he would change his estimate to 1 in 10,000,000. 

Why did he eventually recommend to seekers that they study scientific evidence when it comes forth and offers proof of the veracity and validity of the non-dual pointers which sages had long been offering? 

Because he knew what the sages were "up against" when . . .

1. they offered pointers which totally contradict the nonsense and ignorance which persons are taught via nonsensical and ignorant but never questioned programming, conditioning, domestication, acculturation, brainwashing, and indoctrination; when 

2. that programming, conditioning, etc. generates a belief in a host of personal identifications which are all based in nonsense and ignorant which is rooted in programming, conditioning, domestication, acculturation, brainwashing, and indoctrination but is never questioned; when . . .

3. the agendas of those personal identifications are driven by enormous levels of egotism and arrogance and conceit and self-importance and baseless pride which leads persons to be willing to fight and even die in defense of the beliefs which perpetuate the continuing delusions that those false identities are real and truly existence; and when . . .

4. all of that leads to the spreading of the Ultimate Sickness and a normalization of three of its key symptoms which Maharaj identified as "ignorance, stupidity and insanity." 

[That Sickness? Lao Tzu referenced it in an earlier post: “To know that you do not know is the best. To think you know when you do not is a disease. Recognizing this disease as a disease is to be free of it.”] 

And all of that is what sages are "up against" when they offer pointers which are anathema to the masses; when they try to guide persons out of the zone where they have become more comfortable with lies than with truth; more comfortable with distortions than clear perspectives; more comfortable with ignorance than wisdom; with more comfortable with insanity than sanity, all the while having no clue at all that their thoughts and words and actions are being driven by lies, by distortions, by ignorance and by insanity.

Recall these pointers from the previous post"

Martin Luther King, Jr.: “Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.”

Maharaj : "An ignorant man is ignorant of his ignorance."

Issac Asimov: “There is a cult of ignorance in the United States (and worldwide), and there has always been." 

How, other than with scientific proof of the cycling process, can persons who believe 100% that were born, ever understand that there is no such thing as birth? 

How, other than with scientific proof regarding the fact that a plethora of universes exist, can persons who believe 100% that "this universe" and "our planet" are "special and unique" ever understand that there is no such thing as "a special and unique world"? 

How, other than with scientific proof regarding the fact that all is energy-matter and that never of those can be created nor destroyed, can persons who believe 100% that they created a child ever understand that there is no such thing as creating anything? 

How, other than with scientific proof regarding the fact that all is energy-matter and that never of those can be created nor destroyed, can persons who believe 100% in "a Creator" ever understand that there is no such thing as anyone or Anyone who ever created anything? 

Yet in spite of all of the proof available to support those non-dual pointers and hundreds of others, why did Maharaj predict than only a few thousand humans at any given time will realize? Because persons have no desire whatsoever to give up the "ignorance and stupidity and insanity" of their Sickness. They've become accustomed to those symptoms and their ignorance and stupidity and insanity-driven relative existence.

Humans are raised to never question authority, be that authority a parent or a priest or a preacher or a favorite politician or anyone else telling them that . . . 

A. "There is a male god" or "There are gods and goddesses"; and 

B. if you do not believe in Him / Them, then you'll be sent into a pit of eternal flames and suffer mental and psychological misery and torment for eternity" or "You can be reborn many times and continue to manifest as one lesser form after another and experience misery and suffering unless you follow our dogma exactly"; and 

C. if you believe without questioning and with total blind faith, then eternal rewards await you. 

Now Maharaj or you or I come along and call "BS!" on that? The typical reaction is going to be: 

"Well, Pardner, them there is fightin' words." 

And if any of us offer scientific proof that nothing can be either created or destroyed, that evidence will be ignored or will be rejected hands down, immediately.

Instead, you might hear something like this:

"Get thee away from me, Satan" (or, as one woman screamed at me, "Now I see it: you're a New Age Agent of Satan!")

Maharaj: "If you seek reality you must set yourself free of all backgrounds, of all cultures, of all patterns of thinking and feeling. Even the idea of being man or woman, or even human, should be discarded." 

Free "of all cultures"; that is, free of the effects of acculturation; free of the influence of all cults and their teachings (including the sky cults - the modern religions - which are rooted in the myths and superstitions and tales on which the early pagan religions were founded) and including Hinduism as well. What?! Hinduism as well?! 

Consider this point which is included in an "Appendix" in the back of I AM THAT: "Hinduism comprises numerous sects, creeds and cults and the origin of most of them is lost in the antiquity").

Cults only come in one variety, whether deemed to be religion cults, spirituality cults, recovery cults, political cults, racist cults, white supremacist cults, neo-Nazi cults, terrorist cults, satanic cults, black magic cults, gang cults, Mormon cults, Scientology cults, etc., etc., etc.: they are all, at their core, cults of ignorance.

To be continued.

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 Here, with those who are still driven to talk about "god," the "Son of god," the "Holy Spirit," "Buddha," "Krishna," etc., etc., etc., the invitation to them is to view those as verbs, not nouns. 

THE EXPLANATION 

If looked at as nouns, they point to illusions and are, therefore, a total waste of time to even discuss; if looked at as verbs which are resulting in certain sane but rare behaviors among humanity, then they are worthy of some attention during the relative existence. 

Meaning? There are members of certain groups who say things such as "My concept of god in the past was of a weak god, an absentee god, A Santa Claus-type god, a mean, punishing, vindictive god, etc. Today, I am in close contact with a loving and caring god whom I worship and praise and glorify and give thanks to." 

The reply to that usually goes like this: "If you are in contact with a god that wants to be worshipped and praised and glorified, then you're dealing with someone like yourself - a narcissist - and hanging out with narcissists will never bring an end to your narcissism (that narcissism evidenced by the fact that you think you are "godly"). 

Next, in the phrase 'loving and caring god,' any supposed god that truly had her or his act together would tell you that the totally irrelevant part of that phrase is 'god' and that the only part that is relevant is the "loving and caring" part. 

"That is, a non-narcissistic their god / their goddess would say, "I care not an iota about being worshipped and praised and glorified by you or anyone else. How arrogant and insecure and needy would I have to be to want that? Forget the man-made, dreamed up noun 'god' and focus on the 'god as a verb' understanding and then go forth and let loving and caring be verbs - not adjectives - and let them generate the act of love and the act of caring and let those actions manifest through you." 

Yeshu'a (Jesus) and Pope John Paul II and Pope Francis were spot on: 

"No one shall ever see 'the kingdom of heaven.' It is within" 

--Yeshu'a (Jesus) 

and 

"Heaven and earth shall fade away." 

--Yeshu'a (Jesus) 

and 

"Heaven and hell are not geographic places 

but are states of mind, nothing more than 

concepts dreamed up by men." 

--Pope John Paul II 

"There is no hell." 

--Pope Francis, the current pope 

in an interview with journalist Eugenio Scalfari, 

a writer used by the Pope to issue off the record 

teachings which become a part of the Papal Magisterium. 

[That said, would that the popes who have shown the courage to reject a core concept of their dogma - namely, "hell" - would find the additional courage required to question the very existence of their institution in light of the centuries-long cover-up of their history of raping children and in light of the mental and emotional and psychological scarring of billions of their members past and present. 

And that need for courage also applies as questions need to be asked about why so many other sky cults are still being supported and allowed to continue to exist as well. When certain types of programming and conditioning have been shown to blind the masses, they should end. Will they? Not likely. Why? 

Because what the masses think and say and do is most influenced by the international crime families which hold sway over the masses as criminals conduct their planet-wide operations. What are the major international crime families and which are the most influential and have the largest memberships? 

The Mafia / La Cosa Nostra; the Catholic Church (with it 1.2 billion followers) whose Vatican Bank worked for decades with the Mafia while laundering mob earnings (for a 15% all-profit charge by the Bank); Protestant and Evangelical Churches (with over 1.2 billion followers) like the one I was raised in where the youth director molested and sexually assaulted young girls; big business which has long created environments in which people have been abused; powerful political bodies like the U.S. Congress, etc., etc., etc.) 

With all of those crime families, neither the followers nor the leadership ever voluntarily step down or shut down their criminal activities. Be they gangs, organized crime families, religions, big business, politicians, etc., they all want control and they all want power and they all want money, and nothing internal will interfere with the driving forces at play. 

The masses must demand that all those in charge must step down and their groups and institutions must shut down, and there's the real problem because the continuation of their crimes are enabled not as much by the people running such crime organizations as they are enabled by the masses of people who - wanting some perceived "payoff" - remain involved with them and give them money and support them and aid and abet the continued existence of those criminal enterprises and thus facilitate the ability of church criminals and political criminals and other types of criminals to continue to commit their crimes.] 

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