MAHARAJ AND THE RELIGION VS. SCIENCE DEBATE and THE LIES VS. TRUTH DEBATE

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MAHARAJ AND THE RELIGION VS. SCIENCE DEBATE
and
THE LIES VS. TRUTH DEBATE

"Science will someday advance to the point that it will confirm the validity of the non-dual teachings." 

--Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj 

and 

“The idea that you know what is true is dangerous, for it keeps you imprisoned in the mind.” 

--Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj 

and 

Here, there is nothing that is believed, so there is no one here who wants you to believe anything, either. Here, the invitation is to be free of all that you have been programmed, conditioned, acculturated, domesticated, indoctrinated, and brainwashed to believe so that you can be free, period. --Floyd Henderson

The Lies vs. Truth Debate

Reactions to Pointers Offered on This Site and in My Books 

The non-duality invitation is to question all so, as challenges comes, they can provide opportunities for teaching / un-teaching: 

A visitor listening to a discussion of false beliefs said,

"It seems that everyone will still have points of view and strong opinions about things. It seems you do regarding such topics as 911, Hurricane Katrina being blamed on karma, religion etc. Explain." 

The reply: First, WHO is this that you are accusing of having an opinion? You write to the no-WHO as if there were a WHO, revealing that, subconsciously, you still believe very much in your own WHO-ness. 

As for “points of view,” all that can be said with accuracy is that the consciousness either witnesses what is happening from the subject-object witnessing mode or witnesses purely and accurately via the Pure Witnessing. When the consciousness speaks, it speaks from one of those two modes, depending on the level of the seeker. 

When dealing with "beginners" or "intermediate-level" seekers, Maharaj would respond when relative issues such as “war” or “the death of a son” or “mental and emotional suffering” or "physical pain" were raised. 

(He would be doing the same today if questions were raised about relative happening such as "9 / 11, Hurricane Katrina being blamed on karma, religion, etc." When he advised seekers to abandon their religious and / or spiritual roles and then just abide naturally, there was no "one who had strong opinions" about religion or spirituality. There was a speck that was inviting seekers to abandon all attachment to the "-ism's" which all spread false beliefs, to stop playing their belief-supported roles, and to just abide naturally instead.) 

Always, Maharaj's responses were level-appropriate, meeting the seekers at the place on the “path” where the seekers' words revealed them to be; yet that speck called "Maharaj" was merely noting those instances of relative insanity and misery in order to invite seekers to see . . . 

insanity as insanity; to see that their concepts were merely dreamed up conceptualizations; and to see that their beliefs were rooted in myths and superstitions and false concepts; then, he would invite seekers to move away from the cited examples of relative nonsense and insanity, to understand their Original Nature, and to then abide as that / THAT. 

But understand in the case of that speck or in the case of this speck, there is no “one” that could "have" or "possess" anything, including a "point of view" or a "strong opinion." Until you are free of all beliefs, that point will be beyond your understanding; nevertheless, all that is happening is that thorns are being used to remove thorns. 

Therefore, there is no "one" here that could "have strong opinions." Here, there is the no-longer-blocked-conscious-energy that is temporarily manifested in an elemental-plant-food-body-cum-consciousness which is circulating air. That which believes "he" or "she" or "others" can have opinions is not the actual energy-elements-air triad; it is the fictional body-mind-personality triad. 

As often happens - as was the case with some of Maharaj's visitor and with some visitors here - seekers who have not completed the entire “journey” will project the beliefs based in their relative misunderstandings onto the pure consciousness when it speaks, revealing their belief that “because I have strong opinions based in my beliefs, I can see when ‘you’ do, too.” 

(By the way, there are no guarantees that more than a few will ever grasp the pointers being offered on the subject of belief-less-ness; in fact, the odds are ten million to one, according to Maharaj's final estimate, against seekers ever reaching the Full Understanding, discarding all beliefs, and knowing the difference in the Real "Oneness" and the false "one"-ness.)

Maharaj provided examples of relative nonsense on occasion in order for novice seekers to actually see the relative insanity that happens when the consciousness is warped or blocked. 

Such illustrations served to contrast those examples of the results of relative ignorance with the level of sanity and peace that can happen if persons abandon the beliefs that lead to chaotic and insane relative happenings which are rooted in the ignorance of believing in the false. Only if seekers discard their belief in any and all ideas and concepts can they complete the "journey" and find Truth . . . and peace. 

The thorns used along the way to remove thorns are used at certain levels only. Some of those thorns are examples of relative happenings that are rooted in false beliefs. For seekers that have reached the later steps on the "path," fewer and fewer thorns need be employed. Until those steps are reached, the AM-ness (and the "stuff" of the AM-ness) can be mentioned in order . . . 

a. to provide examples of ignorance-based conflict and disharmony and misperceptions and misery and suffering; 

b. to distinguish the end results of believing in illusions rather than seeing "Reality"; 

c. to explain how the Ultimate Medicine can eliminate ignorance-based conflict and disharmony and misperceptions and misery and suffering; and 

d. to make clear that the elimination of ignorance-based conflict and disharmony and misperceptions and misery and suffering can (1) only happen during the limited remainder of the post-realization manifestation, (2) can only happen one seeker at a time, and (3) will never happen on a planet-wide basis. 

Why? Because in all societies, the most influential persons are the leaders and "movers" and "shakers" who are involved with the cultures' "-ism's"

and

because they and their "-ism's" are the chief guardians and purveyors of false beliefs and ideas and concepts and learned ignorance;

and

because the "-ism's" and their false messages are so widely accepted that they now control the thoughts and words and actions of the non-realized masses (that is, the masses still attached to their "learned ignorance");

and

because it is a culture's most "sacred" or "proudly held" beliefs and ideas and concepts and body of learned ignorance that generate conflict and disharmony and misperceptions and misery and suffering. 

Maharaj advised that if one wants to try to change "the world," then he or she is quite welcome to try; yet he advised that, in the end, the only change that has a chance of actually coming to fruition will happen if a seeker begins to focus on the false self (or selves) and the false beliefs that support them. 

Seeing and discarding those false WHO's that have been assumed as identities - that is, seeing what is believed to be real or true but is not - must precede the ability to see What IS. 

So, to the original question again, maybe it can be seen now why the consciousness will speak occasionally of "things relative" which are not Real but which can nevertheless generate among believers-in-the-not-Real so much chaos and instability and conflict and disharmony and misperceiving and misery and suffering during the relative existence; 

seeing that is preparatory to seekers finally understanding all that must be cast aside - including all ideas and all concepts and all beliefs and all attitudes - in order to complete the entire “journey,” to witness "That which is real, and to abide as the subsequent no-ideas, no-concepts, no-beliefs, no identity, non-dual Reality. 

Finally, even among the realized, feelings happen and are witnessed as they rise and fall. What does not happen is emotional intoxication, which can only seem to be “experienced” and which can only be assumed to be real by an ego-state in error. 

When the voice of that speck of re-purified consciousness called "Maharaj" became elevated, it appeared to the unknowing that "he" was displaying some "point of view" or "strong opinion" as "he" tossed persons from his loft. 

But those who were being forced to leave were being forced to leave by a speck of pure consciousness that only speaks to the willing and able and ready. Such re-purified specks will function as the guardian of the rights of seekers who are willing and able and ready. 

Why? Because the natural function of the re-purified consciousness is to remove all obstacles to clear seeing. Such spiritually-arrogant persons as those cast from the loft are merely one more blockage or obstacle that will hinder the seeing of Truth and that will, therefore, be cast out automatically and spontaneously by the pure consciousness. 

Thus it was that persons were required to vacate the loft if they came to display their spiritual superiority in a way that was interfering with the opportunity of those who had come to seek, sincerely, the understanding; however, there was no "strong opinion" or "emotion" or "point of view" involved because there was no “one” to have an opinion and because there was no “experiencer” to experience any emotion. 

Similarly, there is no WHO here and there is no "one" here that could "experience" any "strong opinion" or emotion. There is a speck here - just as the case was with that speck called "Maharaj" - that will on occasion provide evidence of the Ultimate Sickness when it is heard or displayed in order for seekers to begin to develop the ability to differentiate the true from the false for themselves. 

To that end, all are invited to the Peace, to the Understanding of the Unicity, to Love, to Light, to sanity, and to freedom from learned ignorance.

To be continued.

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Here, with those who are still driven to talk about "god," the "Son of god," the "Holy Spirit," "Buddha," "Krishna," etc., etc., etc., the invitation to them is to view those as verbs, not nouns.

THE EXPLANATION

If looked at as nouns, they point to illusions and are, therefore, a total waste of time to even discuss; if looked at as verbs which are resulting in certain sane but rare behaviors among humanity, then they are worthy of some attention during the relative existence.

Meaning? There are members of certain groups who say things such as "My concept of god in the past was of a weak god, an absentee god, A Santa Claus-type god, a mean, punishing, vindictive god, etc. Today, I am in close contact with a loving and caring god whom I worship and praise and glorify and give thanks to."

The reply to that usually goes like this: "If you are in contact with a god that wants to be worshipped and praised and glorified, then you're dealing with someone like yourself - a narcissist - and hanging out with narcissists will never bring an end to your narcissism (that narcissism evidenced by the fact that you think you are "godly").

Next, in the phrase 'loving and caring god,' any supposed god that truly had her or his act together would tell you that the totally irrelevant part of that phrase is 'god' and that the only part that is relevant is the "loving and caring" part.

"That is, a non-narcissistic their god / their goddess would say, "I care not an iota about being worshipped and praised and glorified by you or anyone else. How arrogant and insecure and needy would I have to be to want that? Forget the man-made, dreamed up noun 'god' and focus on the 'god as a verb' understanding and then go forth and let loving and caring be verbs - not adjectives - and let them generate the act of love and the act of caring and let those actions manifest through you."

Yeshu'a (Jesus) and Pope John Paul II and Pope Francis were spot on:

"No one shall ever see 'the kingdom of heaven.' It is within"

--Yeshu'a (Jesus)

and

"Heaven and earth shall fade away."

--Yeshu'a (Jesus)

and

"Heaven and hell are not geographic places

but are states of mind, nothing more than

concepts dreamed up by men."&

--Pope John Paul II

"There is no hell."

--Pope Francis, the current pope

in an interview with journalist Eugenio Scalfari,

a writer used by the Pope to issue off the record

teachings which become a part of the Papal Magisterium.

[That said, would that the popes who have shown the courage to reject a core concept of their dogma - namely, "hell" - would find the additional courage required to question the very existence of their institution in light of the centuries-long cover-up of their history of raping children and in light of the mental and emotional and psychological scarring of billions of their members past and present.

And that need for courage also applies as questions need to be asked about why so many other sky cults are still being supported and allowed to continue to exist as well. When certain types of programming and conditioning have been shown to blind the masses, they should end. Will they? Not likely. Why?

Because what the masses think and say and do is most influenced by the international crime families which hold sway over the masses as criminals conduct their planet-wide operations. What are the major international crime families and which are the most influential and have the largest memberships?

The Mafia / La Cosa Nostra; the Catholic Church (with it 1.2 billion followers) whose Vatican Bank worked for decades with the Mafia while laundering mob earnings (for a 15% all-profit charge by the Bank); Protestant and Evangelical Churches (with over 1.2 billion followers) like the one I was raised in where the youth director molested and sexually assaulted young girls; big business which has long created environments in which people have been abused; powerful political bodies like the U.S. Congress, etc., etc., etc.)

With all of those crime families, neither the followers nor the leadership ever voluntarily step down or shut down their criminal activities. Be they gangs, organized crime families, religions, big business, politicians, etc., they all want control and they all want power and they all want money, and nothing internal will interfere with the driving forces at play.

The masses must demand that all those in charge must step down and their groups and institutions must shut down, and there's the real problem because the continuation of their crimes are enabled not as much by the people running such crime organizations as they are enabled by the masses of people who - wanting some perceived "payoff" - remain involved with them and give them money and support them and aid and abet the continued existence of those criminal enterprises and thus facilitate the ability of church criminals and political criminals and other types of criminals to continue to commit their crimes.]

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