MAHARAJ AND THE RELIGION VS. SCIENCE DEBATE and THE LIES VS. TRUTH DEBATE

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MAHARAJ AND THE RELIGION VS. SCIENCE DEBATE
and
THE LIES VS. TRUTH DEBATE

"Science will someday advance to the point that it will confirm the validity of the non-dual teachings." 

--Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj 

and 

“The idea that you know what is true is dangerous, for it keeps you imprisoned in the mind.” 

--Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj 

and 

Here, there is nothing that is believed, so there is no one here who wants you to believe anything, either. Here, the invitation is to be free of all that you have been programmed, conditioned, acculturated, domesticated, indoctrinated, and brainwashed to believe so that you can be free, period. --Floyd Henderson 

To continue with excerpts from the book entitled FREEDOM from BELIEFS (Believers, Non-Believers, and "No-Belief-ers") in the discussion of the way that "-ism's" are another source which generates a plethora of distortion-riddled beliefs:

The Lies vs. Truth Debate

Reactions to Maharaj's Pointers, Part One 

Consider the two reactions to Maharaj's plain-spoken and straightforward revelation about the primary problem of humanity which also explains why the Ultimate Medicine is now universally-required for the universally-manifesting, belief-based, Ultimate Sickness: 

Maharaj: The problem is "stupidity, verging on insanity." 

What have been the two types of reactions to that pointer? Some responses heard here have included: "There's no cause to be mean about it" and "I prefer a teacher who expresses love, not hate" and "There's no need to be so direct and hurtful." 

The reaction here the first time those words were heard was one of gratitude. Years of exposure to a plethora of platitudes had led to one dead end after another, and years of sugar-coating and whitewashing and denial of the real problem - the actual and Ultimate Sickness - had also led to one dead end after another. 

The requirement for a new and totally different path was clearly indicated after the first glimmers of light began to expose the falsity of long-held beliefs. 

Hopelessness and powerlessness and insanity can happen for decades without one being aware of those conditions; severe depression can happen for decades without the level of that condition ever registering; and the most ignorant (dare one say, "stupid"?) thoughts and words and deeds can occur all day long without any awareness of how ignorant - and even crazy - those thoughts and words and deeds truly are. 

Oh sure, judgmental persons all day long can note how hopeless and ignorant and insane "others" are, but the fact is this: if you spot it, you've got it; if you can see it, you can be it. To project one's own mental or emotional defects onto "others" will block those who are doing the projecting from ever seeing their own sickness and from ever addressing that. 

Unless one truly experiences his or her own hopelessness and powerlessness and insanity and depression and ignorance-based thoughts and words and deeds when all of that has marked and marred much of one's relative existence, then the Ultimate Medicine will not be sought and the Ultimate Mental and Emotional Sickness will never be treated. 

So those in the first group who find Maharaj's words offensive might ask: 

"WHO - what egotism-supported ego-state - is offended by Maharaj's words or the words of anyone else?" 

and 

"WHO is calling Maharaj's words 'mean' when they amount to a spot-on diagnosis that can lead to identifying the real problem and then prescribing the proper Medicine for that which ails a person?" 

and 

"WHO wants a teacher who is indirect and evasive rather than direct?" 

When a doctor some seventeen years ago diagnosed the presence of cancerous and pre-cancerous polyps, he did not say, "There is a little boo-boo that you might want me try to make so away" or "You might want to find a holy man and pray for your boo-boo's to go away" or "Tonight, you might go outside and look into the heavens and wish upon a star that your boo-boo's will magically go away." 

He was quite direct when he said, "You have polyps. Some are cancerous. It is clear that I must excise them, and the sooner . . . the better." Was he being "mean"? "Hateful?" Too "direct"? Too "insensitive"? Or was he merely stating the facts - and stating them quite clearly - regarding my condition? 

There was nothing "personal" about his words, any more than there is anything "personal" about Maharaj's words. His words are actually about an illusion, so WHO could be offended by that? Only one who is taking himself / herself to be a person. 

If Maharaj was not talking to a person but to the blocked consciousness in his listeners, then "ignorance" or "stupidity" are not describing a particular person but are actually describing one's beliefs that are stored in an illusory "mind." 

If Maharaj was not talking to a person but to the blocked consciousness in his listeners, then "insane" is not describing a particular person but is describing belief-based thoughts and words and deeds that are being driven subconsciously by assumed personas. (Thus, "personality disorders" or "insanity.") 

The invitation here regarding beliefs is to begin at the beginning by asking, “Why should ideas, concepts, emotional intoxication, and attitudes / beliefs be cast aside? What would be the 'payoff,' relatively speaking?" 

To understand that the answer is to be free and to end all personal suffering and misery, the task might be easier. Holding onto beliefs and behaviors that result from programming and conditioning and domestication and acculturation makes no sense, yet if one is in denial about one's relative state and condition, then truth shall never be seen and the Sickness shall never be treated. 

Many say, “Sometimes I see the insanity . . . but,” after which there is a return to the same old thinking and talking and behavioral patterns and no permanent change is sought. 

Moreover, the occasional admission that certain actions that were driven by insane beliefs does not assure that the steps will be taken that are required to be free of the effects of ignorance and insanity. Admissions such as, "I can't believe I did that" or "I can't believe I was dumb enough to fall for that" or "That was really stupid on my part" typically provide little or no respite from the same old patterns that are soon repeated. 

Some even say, “I’m convinced I should do this or seek that or change this," yet such comments are usually followed by " . . . but” and then by a return to the old ways. 

Again, projecting one's relative faults and seeing the insanity is easy when seeing it in “others.” How many times in a day do many use the phrase, “Look at that idiot” or “He’s crazy” or “She’s totally nuts”? And they may be on to something. 

Yet most often, persons only see the insanity of “others" and seldom admit to their own, so their own insane behaviors and insane talk almost always continue. Occasionally “seeing it” - and then forgetting what was seen - changes nothing when the power of programming and conditioning are still in play. 

Consider the parallel: Pavlov’s dogs were not “crazy.” Prior to conditioning, those dogs only salivated when smelling something they could consume, as is natural. But after conditioning, they behaved in the most unnatural way imaginable: they salivated when they heard a sound rather than when they smelled food. Conditioning can even drive dogs to behave unnaturally. Why should humans fare any better after conditioning? 

The additional invitation is to consider this as well: the consciousness, once conditioned, can be said to be "blocked" or can be described by some as being "impure and corrupted and distorted and adulterated." 

The blocked or corrupted consciousness is the knower of concepts, the thinker of thoughts, the accepter of lies as truth, the emoter of emotions, the experiencer of pain and suffering, the accepter of ideas rooted in myths, and the believer of false beliefs. 

If not yet fully realized (that is, not having totally purged all learned ignorance), what might free you of the effects of having been conditioned and programmed? Some have read pointers on the subject, such as these, and then taken them into the silence and considered them. 

Some require a teacher that is willing to "tell it like it is." Some require a diagnosis of the real problem (which centers in the "mind," which drives insane thoughts and words and actions, and which results in being dominated by the symptoms of the Ultimate Sickness). 

Some require a realized teacher - a "specialist in internal medicine" - capable of diagnosing the problem, willing to tell you directly what the problem is, willing to tell you specifically what must be done to address the problem, and who knows exactly how to administer the Ultimate Medicine that is required to treat the Ultimate, Internal Sickness. 

Forget trying to reach a temporary “no-mind” state. The problem requires a permanent removal of the seat of the Sickness. You are invited on this site to take the steps which lead to a permanent state of “no-minded-ness,” even as the consciousness remains manifested, and to then abide as everything on the planet except humans abides: under the auspices of the brain.

To be continued.

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Here, with those who are still driven to talk about "god," the "Son of god," the "Holy Spirit," "Buddha," "Krishna," etc., etc., etc., the invitation to them is to view those as verbs, not nouns.

THE EXPLANATION

If looked at as nouns, they point to illusions and are, therefore, a total waste of time to even discuss; if looked at as verbs which are resulting in certain sane but rare behaviors among humanity, then they are worthy of some attention during the relative existence.

Meaning? There are members of certain groups who say things such as "My concept of god in the past was of a weak god, an absentee god, A Santa Claus-type god, a mean, punishing, vindictive god, etc. Today, I am in close contact with a loving and caring god whom I worship and praise and glorify and give thanks to."

The reply to that usually goes like this: "If you are in contact with a god that wants to be worshipped and praised and glorified, then you're dealing with someone like yourself - a narcissist - and hanging out with narcissists will never bring an end to your narcissism (that narcissism evidenced by the fact that you think you are "godly").

Next, in the phrase 'loving and caring god,' any supposed god that truly had her or his act together would tell you that the totally irrelevant part of that phrase is 'god' and that the only part that is relevant is the "loving and caring" part.

"That is, a non-narcissistic their god / their goddess would say, "I care not an iota about being worshipped and praised and glorified by you or anyone else. How arrogant and insecure and needy would I have to be to want that? Forget the man-made, dreamed up noun 'god' and focus on the 'god as a verb' understanding and then go forth and let loving and caring be verbs - not adjectives - and let them generate the act of love and the act of caring and let those actions manifest through you."

Yeshu'a (Jesus) and Pope John Paul II and Pope Francis were spot on:

"No one shall ever see 'the kingdom of heaven.' It is within"

--Yeshu'a (Jesus)

and

"Heaven and earth shall fade away."

--Yeshu'a (Jesus)

and

"Heaven and hell are not geographic places

but are states of mind, nothing more than

concepts dreamed up by men."&

--Pope John Paul II

"There is no hell."

--Pope Francis, the current pope

in an interview with journalist Eugenio Scalfari,

a writer used by the Pope to issue off the record

teachings which become a part of the Papal Magisterium.

[That said, would that the popes who have shown the courage to reject a core concept of their dogma - namely, "hell" - would find the additional courage required to question the very existence of their institution in light of the centuries-long cover-up of their history of raping children and in light of the mental and emotional and psychological scarring of billions of their members past and present.

And that need for courage also applies as questions need to be asked about why so many other sky cults are still being supported and allowed to continue to exist as well. When certain types of programming and conditioning have been shown to blind the masses, they should end. Will they? Not likely. Why?

Because what the masses think and say and do is most influenced by the international crime families which hold sway over the masses as criminals conduct their planet-wide operations. What are the major international crime families and which are the most influential and have the largest memberships?

The Mafia / La Cosa Nostra; the Catholic Church (with it 1.2 billion followers) whose Vatican Bank worked for decades with the Mafia while laundering mob earnings (for a 15% all-profit charge by the Bank); Protestant and Evangelical Churches (with over 1.2 billion followers) like the one I was raised in where the youth director molested and sexually assaulted young girls; big business which has long created environments in which people have been abused; powerful political bodies like the U.S. Congress, etc., etc., etc.)

With all of those crime families, neither the followers nor the leadership ever voluntarily step down or shut down their criminal activities. Be they gangs, organized crime families, religions, big business, politicians, etc., they all want control and they all want power and they all want money, and nothing internal will interfere with the driving forces at play.

The masses must demand that all those in charge must step down and their groups and institutions must shut down, and there's the real problem because the continuation of their crimes are enabled not as much by the people running such crime organizations as they are enabled by the masses of people who - wanting some perceived "payoff" - remain involved with them and give them money and support them and aid and abet the continued existence of those criminal enterprises and thus facilitate the ability of church criminals and political criminals and other types of criminals to continue to commit their crimes.]

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