MAHARAJ AND THE RELIGION VS. SCIENCE DEBATE and THE LIES VS. TRUTH DEBATE

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MAHARAJ AND THE RELIGION VS. SCIENCE DEBATE
and
THE LIES VS. TRUTH DEBATE

THE CONCLUSION, Part 2 of 2 

SO WHY REACH A "NO-BELIEF," "ZERO CONCEPTS," "NO MIND" STATE AS RECOMMENDED BY MAHARAJ AND THEREAFTER ABIDE UNDER THE AUSPICES OF THE ELEMENTAL BRAIN RATHER THAN THE DISTORTED, FICTION-FILLED MIND? 

2 billion members of a certain religion believe that a virgin can become pregnant and can deliver a baby and can still remain a virgin; that there is a God and that God has a specific gender - male; and that their beliefs are the only right beliefs among all religions. 

1.5 billion members of a certain religion believe that there is a God, that God has a specific gender - a male - and that "He" wants the members of that religion to kill people who belong to a different sect of that religion and to kill people who are members of religions which are different from their own. 

1.15 billion members of a certain religion believe that there are multiple gods and goddesses; that everyone should strive for dharma; and that individual souls are immortal and can go through multiple incarnations. 

None of their beliefs can stand up to scientific scrutiny or to objective, rational investigation, yet billions cling to such beliefs both stubbornly and wholeheartedly.

DouweTiemersma said: 

"There are various religions and systems of philosophy which claim to endow human life with meaning. But they suffer from certain inherent limitations. They couch into fine-sounding words their traditional beliefs and ideologies, theological or philosophical. 

Believers, however, discover the limited range of meaning and applicability of these words, sooner or later. They get disillusioned and tend to abandon the systems, in the same way as scientific theories are abandoned, when they are called in question by too much contradictory empirical data." 

Yet here, few have been seen that actually abandon the systems which in most cases they did not choose but which were imposed on them by their parents and other authority figures from early on. 

Jo Nesbo's take on the subject seems to be the more accurate: 

"The bigger a group is" (2 billion, 1.5 billion, 1.1.5 billion, etc.) "the harder it is to break free of from their prevailing ideas and assumptions. They work a bit like a religion because they automatically think that so many other people around them can't be wrong. Well, they can. And they are. All the time." 

So (a) the prevailing attitude among the 97% on the planet who claim an affiliation with an organized religion (and who, again, did not choose the religion that they are affiliated with but were assigned that affiliation by their parents) and (b) the prevailing attitude among the millions who brag that they "are not religious but are spiritual instead," is this: 

"These are our beliefs and no one will ever change them, so 'contradictory empirical data' be damned!" 

Some define ignorance as "a lack of knowledge or education." 

Maharaj would disagree, having said: "All knowledge is ignorance." 

He said that "realization is freedom from learned ignorance"

and that

"Realization is but the opposite of ignorance." 

He said: "The so-called 'birth' is the appearance of ignorance which prevails till the so-called 'death'." 

Some define it as "a lack of awareness," and that would align more closely with Maharaj's take on the subject. 

Is any significant progress being made in terms of treating the Ultimate Sickness and eradicating it's key symptoms which he identified as "ignorance, stupidity and insanity?" No. 

Maharaj said: "The circles of ignorance may be ever widening, yet it remains a bondage all the same." 

Furthermore, Maharaj noted: "You do not realize that your present waking state is one of ignorance." 

Of those who cling to the myth-and-superstition-and-ignorance-based dogma of their ancestors, Maharaj said: 

"Not to know, and not to know that one does not know, is the cause of endless suffering." 

Does it not seem like that would be reason enough to seek, to understand, to be free? Yet it is not; instead, among many of those types, suffering is ennobled: 

"Be like Christ who suffered on the cross. Suffering now paves the way for rewards and happiness later" 

or 

"Suffer by blowing yourself up with a bomb vest in the process of killing infidels. Then you shall be given sexual pleasures for eternity" 

or 

"Suffer now and you will elevate to a higher level later." 

Who but those trapped in ignorance and / or insanity would accept an invitation to suffer, to normalize misery, and to postpone pleasure until "a later life" or "an afterlife" or "a series of lives"? 

One man who finally broke free of his attachment to the dogma which his parents exposed him to said, "I finally saw that the motto of the Catholic Church is, 'If it feels good, stop it,' but that applied to church members only, not to the priests who abused us. It has taken years of therapy along with the freedom which the non-dual understanding has brought to finally be able to enjoy my existence." 

Who but those trapped in the sickness of such personality disorders as the Sociopathic Personality Disorder or the Psychopathic Personality Disorder or the Sadistic Personality Disorder would enjoy seeing others suffer? None.

Yet those types are currently quite popular among certain voters or followers in many places around the globe (revealing a great deal about the disorders which those voters are likely trapped in as well). 

True freedom involves freedom from being driven by ignorant and insane thoughts and ignorant and insane words which lead to ignorant and insane actions. Anything less is not freedom at all. 

Who needs that freedom which facts and science and understanding can bring? 

According to Maharaj: "The scientific approach is for all. ‘Trust-test-taste’. What more do you need?" But how many really want the truth? Few.

Many counselor's learn that the surest way to run off clients is to introduce truth to them too early in the process. 

Maharaj asked: "Why push the Truth down unwilling throats? It cannot be done, anyhow. Without a receiver what can the giver do?" 

The point: the last thing that most persons who are trapped in ignorance, stupidity, and insanity want is any awareness of their true state, is any awareness of the truth, is freedom from stupid beliefs, and is a suggestion that insanity is present and is clearly in need of being addressed. 

Hence Maharaj's estimate that only a few thousand people on the planet at any given moment will be realized, that is, will be "free of all learned ignorance" and will have "reached a state which is the opposite of ignorance and will be abiding therein for the remainder of the manifestation." 

So it is, but so it need not be. 

Again . . . 

Peace, Unity, Love and Light, Sanity.

To be continued.

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Here, with those who are still driven to talk about "god," the "Son of god," the "Holy Spirit," "Buddha," "Krishna," etc., etc., etc., the invitation to them is to view those as verbs, not nouns.

THE EXPLANATION

If looked at as nouns, they point to illusions and are, therefore, a total waste of time to even discuss; if looked at as verbs which are resulting in certain sane but rare behaviors among humanity, then they are worthy of some attention during the relative existence.

Meaning? There are members of certain groups who say things such as "My concept of god in the past was of a weak god, an absentee god, A Santa Claus-type god, a mean, punishing, vindictive god, etc. Today, I am in close contact with a loving and caring god whom I worship and praise and glorify and give thanks to."

The reply to that usually goes like this: "If you are in contact with a god that wants to be worshipped and praised and glorified, then you're dealing with someone like yourself - a narcissist - and hanging out with narcissists will never bring an end to your narcissism (that narcissism evidenced by the fact that you think you are "godly").

Next, in the phrase 'loving and caring god,' any supposed god that truly had her or his act together would tell you that the totally irrelevant part of that phrase is 'god' and that the only part that is relevant is the "loving and caring" part.

"That is, a non-narcissistic their god / their goddess would say, "I care not an iota about being worshipped and praised and glorified by you or anyone else. How arrogant and insecure and needy would I have to be to want that? Forget the man-made, dreamed up noun 'god' and focus on the 'god as a verb' understanding and then go forth and let loving and caring be verbs - not adjectives - and let them generate the act of love and the act of caring and let those actions manifest through you."

Yeshu'a (Jesus) and Pope John Paul II and Pope Francis were spot on:

"No one shall ever see 'the kingdom of heaven.' It is within"

--Yeshu'a (Jesus)

and

"Heaven and earth shall fade away."

--Yeshu'a (Jesus)

and

"Heaven and hell are not geographic places

but are states of mind, nothing more than

concepts dreamed up by men."

--Pope John Paul II

"There is no hell."

--Pope Francis, the current pope

in an interview with journalist Eugenio Scalfari,

a writer used by the Pope to issue off the record

teachings which become a part of the Papal Magisterium.

[That said, would that the popes who have shown the courage to reject a core concept of their dogma - namely, "hell" - would find the additional courage required to question the very existence of their institution in light of the centuries-long cover-up of their history of raping children and in light of the mental and emotional and psychological scarring of billions of their members past and present.

And that need for courage also applies as questions need to be asked about why so many other sky cults are still being supported and allowed to continue to exist as well. When certain types of programming and conditioning have been shown to blind the masses, they should end. Will they? Not likely. Why?

Because what the masses think and say and do is most influenced by the international crime families which hold sway over the masses as criminals conduct their planet-wide operations. What are the major international crime families and which are the most influential and have the largest memberships?

The Mafia / La Cosa Nostra; the Catholic Church (with it 1.2 billion followers) whose Vatican Bank worked for decades with the Mafia while laundering mob earnings (for a 15% all-profit charge by the Bank); Protestant and Evangelical Churches (with over 1.2 billion followers) like the one I was raised in where the youth director molested and sexually assaulted young girls; big business which has long created environments in which people have been abused; powerful political bodies like the U.S. Congress, etc., etc., etc.)

With all of those crime families, neither the followers nor the leadership ever voluntarily step down or shut down their criminal activities. Be they gangs, organized crime families, religions, big business, politicians, etc., they all want control and they all want power and they all want money, and nothing internal will interfere with the driving forces at play.

The masses must demand that all those in charge must step down and their groups and institutions must shut down, and there's the real problem because the continuation of their crimes are enabled not as much by the people running such crime organizations as they are enabled by the masses of people who - wanting some perceived "payoff" - remain involved with them and give them money and support them and aid and abet the continued existence of those criminal enterprises and thus facilitate the ability of church criminals and political criminals and other types of criminals to continue to commit their crimes.]

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