MAHARAJ AND THE RELIGION VS. SCIENCE DEBATE and THE LIES VS. TRUTH DEBATE

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MAHARAJ AND THE RELIGION VS. SCIENCE DEBATE
and
THE LIES VS. TRUTH DEBATE

Freedom from All Beliefs: Clearing Away the Final Vestiges

Mention was made of ducks, squirrels, deer, bears, birds, fish, and persons ("persons" being a term that points to all of the "human spaces or forms" with ideas and concepts and beliefs that drive them to accept multiple false identities as being real).

Of the millions and millions in those groups that move about planet earth, and of the trillions and trillions that have ever lived on the planet, only the members of one group have developed (that is, regressed) in ways that drive them to assume that they are "different," that they are "better than all other spaces and forms," and that they have control and "dominion" over all of the other spaces and forms in other groups.

Some members of that group of "persons" or "human spaces or forms" also assume that they should have control and dominion over all of the "other persons" or "other human spaces or forms" in their group.

Of the millions and millions in those groups that move about planet earth, and of the trillions and trillions that have ever lived on the planet, all have an elemental brain but only the members of one group have developed (that is, regressed) in ways that have also resulted in a "mind" filled with ideas and concepts and beliefs.

And of the millions and millions in those groups that move about planet earth, and of the trillions and trillions that have ever lived on the planet, only the members of the group with "minds" have mental problems that drive them to fight others who believe different ideas and concepts and beliefs;

who have mental problems that drive them to inflict pain on themselves or others; who have mental problems that drive them to continue to engage in behaviors that have been proved to be harmful to their elemental bodies;

who have mental problems that drive them to cut or shoot themselves or others; and who have mental problems and such arrogance that they feel entitled to engage in controlling and invasion and colonialism and enslavement and genocide.

Only the members of the group with "minds" have mental problems of such severity that they actually believe that they are the roles they play; that they really believe they can be something that they are not; and that they truly believe it when other persons tell them that they are either "good" or "bad" (although the criteria for such labeling varies from culture to culture);

have such mental problems that they really believe that they are "different from" others; that they actually think that they are "better than" or "worse than" others; and that they should abandon the roles that their cultures tell them are "bad roles" and that they should assume and play the roles that their cultures tell them are "good roles" to assume.

Only the members of the group with "minds" have such severe mental and emotional and "personal" (personality) problems that they think they must spend years - or even a lifetime - of searching and seeking and working to "improve" or "enhance" themselves.

As evidence of how many are trying to "improve" or "enhance" themselves, consider some of the titles of the bestseller books that are being marketed by those types whom Maharaj pointed to with the term "big name teachers" when he warned his followers to be wary of the concepts and beliefs that the teachers with mass appeal offer and which are the most popular among the non-realized masses:

Change Your Thoughts - Change Your Life;

Your Ultimate Calling;

Incredible You!;

10 Secrets for Success;

Advancing Your Spirit;

Ageless Body, Timeless Mind;

The Spontaneous Fulfillment of Desire;

The Seven Spiritual Laws of Success: A Practical Guide to the Fulfillment of Your Dreams;

How to Know God.

Maharaj's take on all that?

He understood that thoughts (always driven by learned ignorance) lead to ignorant words and that ignorant words lead to ignorant actions; thus, he recommended that one reach a state of zero concepts, zero thoughts, by purging the mind of all its (always unnatural) content and abiding under the auspices of the natural brain. So much for "Change Your Thoughts - Change Your Life."

He made clear that "God" is merely an invention of humans who want control and power. There is no real God, only an invented, illusory concept of a God he said; therefore, who could there possibly be to "call" anyone to a particular task or action from on high? No one. So much for "Your Ultimate Calling."

Specifically, as for being "called" to some "ultimate calling" and as for "knowing the caller" or "knowing God," he said:

"First of all you identify something as being good or bad for yourself. Then, in an effort to acquire good or to get rid of the bad, you have invented a God. Then you worship such a God and . . . you pray to that God for something good to happen to you."

He taught that at the core of all human misery and suffering is personality, ego-state adoption, and egotism. So much for an "Incredible You."

Using an analogy from weaving, he made clear that the realized understand that "success and failure are relative and related, that they are the very warp and weft of life." So much for "10 Secret of Success."

He said, "I have no mind" (so he had no thoughts to change); "success" is a persona-based concept, he taught, as is "power," as is "A Power," and as is "power now." To that end he said:

“The nearer you get to the truth, the more you lose interest in worldly affairs. Such a one will not have any interest in the world, but will act like an ordinary person.”

He made clear that the body is a temporary form and that the "mind" is finite as well, not "ageless."

As for "fulfilling desires," he taught that all misery and suffering are rooted in personal fears or in trying to fulfill personal desires;

Contrary to "fulfilling dreams," he made clear that dreams are something to be rid of after seeing they are not the real.

As for "spiritual advancement," he said:

"There is no progress"

"There is no question of elevating to a higher level. Here it is only a question of understanding."

As for "spiritual laws," he said:

"Whatever spiritual things you aspire to know are all happening in this objective world, in the illusion. All this is happening in the objective world. All is dishonesty. There is no truth in this fraud."

All such concepts and ideas adopted by persons run counter to the no-belief, non-dual, no-identity, no-concept, no-idea, natural abidance and normalcy that mark the relative existence of all forms on the planet except for persons.

One has never seen a deer trying to improve or enhance itself. That which believes it can change or grow or develop into something that is different from what it actually already is is nothing more than a speck of consciousness that has been fooled.

That which believes it can become enhanced or improved or made better or made worse or ungraded or downgraded is a speck of conscious-energy that has been fooled. Maharaj said, "Only that person will visit this place whose virtue and sin have [both] come to an end."

All concepts and beliefs such as those referenced above are rooted in the duality of either (1) an egotism-based notion of being "very good" or even "great" or (in true narcissistic fashion) "incredible"; or (2) a guilt-and-shame-based notion of being "bad" or "unworthy."

Moreover, it is only the members of the group with "minds" that buy into dualistic beliefs, ego-states as identities, egotism, a false sense of greatness, and the arrogance-generating delusion of many members of that group that they are part of "an exclusive and superior group or race or species."

Also, it is only the members of the group with "minds" that buy into "self-destruction" and "destruction of others" as a result of first buying into guilt and the notion of being "bad" or "unworthy" or, conversely, "exceptional."

Is it any wonder that Maharaj invited those trapped in the delusion of body-mind-personality identification (and those being driven by their false ideas and concepts and beliefs) to abandon all of the learned ignorance that is inspiring them to live unnaturally or inspiring them to try to live "supernaturally"?

Is it any wonder that Maharaj spent decades inviting persons to abandon all beliefs and to then abide naturally instead just as do ducks, squirrels, deer, bears, birds, fish, and all other "spaces-or-forms-cum-temporarily-manifested-consciousness" with the lone exception of "persons"?

To be continued.

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Here, with those who are still driven to talk about "god," the "Son of god," the "Holy Spirit," "Buddha," "Krishna," etc., etc., etc., the invitation to them is to view those as verbs, not nouns.

THE EXPLANATION

If looked at as nouns, they point to illusions and are, therefore, a total waste of time to even discuss; if looked at as verbs which are resulting in certain sane but rare behaviors among humanity, then they are worthy of some attention during the relative existence.

Meaning? There are members of certain groups who say things such as "My concept of god in the past was of a weak god, an absentee god, A Santa Claus-type god, a mean, punishing, vindictive god, etc. Today, I am in close contact with a loving and caring god whom I worship and praise and glorify and give thanks to."

The reply to that usually goes like this: "If you are in contact with a god that wants to be worshipped and praised and glorified, then you're dealing with someone like yourself - a narcissist - and hanging out with narcissists will never bring an end to your narcissism (that narcissism evidenced by the fact that you think you are "godly").

Next, in the phrase 'loving and caring god,' any supposed god that truly had her or his act together would tell you that the totally irrelevant part of that phrase is 'god' and that the only part that is relevant is the "loving and caring" part.

"That is, a non-narcissistic their god / their goddess would say, "I care not an iota about being worshipped and praised and glorified by you or anyone else. How arrogant and insecure and needy would I have to be to want that? Forget the man-made, dreamed up noun 'god' and focus on the 'god as a verb' understanding and then go forth and let loving and caring be verbs - not adjectives - and let them generate the act of love and the act of caring and let those actions manifest through you."

Yeshu'a (Jesus) and Pope John Paul II and Pope Francis were spot on:

"No one shall ever see 'the kingdom of heaven.' It is within"

--Yeshu'a (Jesus)

and

"Heaven and earth shall fade away."

--Yeshu'a (Jesus)

and

"Heaven and hell are not geographic places

but are states of mind, nothing more than

concepts dreamed up by men."

--Pope John Paul II

"There is no hell."

--Pope Francis, the current pope

in an interview with journalist Eugenio Scalfari,

a writer used by the Pope to issue off the record

teachings which become a part of the Papal Magisterium.

[That said, would that the popes who have shown the courage to reject a core concept of their dogma - namely, "hell" - would find the additional courage required to question the very existence of their institution in light of the centuries-long cover-up of their history of raping children and in light of the mental and emotional and psychological scarring of billions of their members past and present.

And that need for courage also applies as questions need to be asked about why so many other sky cults are still being supported and allowed to continue to exist as well. When certain types of programming and conditioning have been shown to blind the masses, they should end. Will they? Not likely. Why?

Because what the masses think and say and do is most influenced by the international crime families which hold sway over the masses as criminals conduct their planet-wide operations. What are the major international crime families and which are the most influential and have the largest memberships?

The Mafia / La Cosa Nostra; the Catholic Church (with it 1.2 billion followers) whose Vatican Bank worked for decades with the Mafia while laundering mob earnings (for a 15% all-profit charge by the Bank); Protestant and Evangelical Churches (with over 1.2 billion followers) like the one I was raised in where the youth director molested and sexually assaulted young girls; big business which has long created environments in which people have been abused; powerful political bodies like the U.S. Congress, etc., etc., etc.)

With all of those crime families, neither the followers nor the leadership ever voluntarily step down or shut down their criminal activities. Be they gangs, organized crime families, religions, big business, politicians, etc., they all want control and they all want power and they all want money, and nothing internal will interfere with the driving forces at play.

The masses must demand that all those in charge must step down and their groups and institutions must shut down, and there's the real problem because the continuation of their crimes are enabled not as much by the people running such crime organizations as they are enabled by the masses of people who - wanting some perceived "payoff" - remain involved with them and give them money and support them and aid and abet the continued existence of those criminal enterprises and thus facilitate the ability of church criminals and political criminals and other types of criminals to continue to commit their crimes.]

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