Thursday, August 05, 2010

THE PERILS OF TRYING TO BUILD A HOUSE FROM THE ROOF DOWN

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Here, there is nothing that is believed, so there is no one here who wants you to believe anything, either. Here, the invitation is to be free of all that you have been programmed, conditioned, acculturated, and domesticated to believe so that you can be free, period.

FROM ONE WHO ORDERED THE THREE-BOOK "ADVANCED SEEKERS SET" (From the I to the Absolute; Consciousness / Awareness; and From the Absolute to the Nothingness):

Jack: Hi floyd, I finished From the I and am about 1/3 of the way through Consciousness/Awareness and the writings have proven beneficial, so thanks for that! I've read many different authors words on nonduality /enlightenment / whatever-you-call-IT, and it's interesting how "differently" the Absolute is described or pointed at. Sometimes I'm wondering if they are all talking about the same thing as the words can be very different indeed!

F.: Agreed. Read the big names on the circuit who read the words of Maharaj and you'll see that they have taken a small part of his message, co-opted pieces as their own, made it all appealing to the masses by tossing in some magical, "super-spiritual" jargon, and in the process totally distorted the teachings. Too, some of the older teachings as well as some newer teachers give an energy field a far more lofty and exalted and distinguished set of traits than a field of energy deserves.

J.: A few things I'm wondering about that I have never seen discussed (yet at least) in books on This Topic, that maybe you have some words to share about are:

1) while I understand that physical reality is an illusion/dream/Maya/etc. and Everything "comes" from the Absolute, "how" is it that this manifestation seems so "real"?

F.: Most will not tell you this, but elements and oxygen and energy are all real. I've suggested to those who want to deny that fact to lower their heads, run as fast as possible into a wall or a big oak tree, and tell me the wall or the tree is not real. What is not real is what they perceive the wall or tree to be. They mistake form for substance and mistake image for reality. The simple use of an electron microscope would show clearly that - at a subatomic level - what the microscope is revealing is real - just not what the masses perceive.

J.: How is it that this "continuing storyline of this body/life I seem to have called "Jack" appears to be so convincingly real?

F.: Easy. Go back to your earliest, false programmers. How was it that Santa seemed so real? Persons in authority, whom you were taught to "respect" and to have faith in and to never question, convinced you to believe their lies. Most of the lies, they too were mistaking for truth. And the same happened with all lies and all of the BS you have learned. Even now, you think "you seem to have called this form Jack," yet again, "they" did that and you have accepted it without question.

J.: And how is it seemingly "continual day by day", as the atoms and molecules that "make up" this body are in a continual state of change, yet the appearance of "stuff" seems rather "permanent".

F.: You need to go to the Advaita site and see what has been shared about "memory" and how it is illusory. Use the search feature. Secondly, witness accurately and you'll see that appearances are forever in flux, too. The skin was smooth, the skin is wrinkled. The bridge was standing; the bridge collapsed. The spouse looks to be perfect on the wedding day; the spouse a while later looks to be a total ass. Through a powerful telescope, it can be seen that distant elements in the universe that look "this way" a second later look "that way."

J.: Like, why does "my house" appear so solid and in place, day by day, second by second, yet "my thoughts" are in a continual state of flux? No matter what I think, "my house" is still gonna be there, yet "my thoughts about" that house can vary considerably.

F.: The consciousness is energy, so it will always be in motion. Stability comes when freed of the mind, never via the mind. As for your house, it is not solid, it is mainly space like your body, it is energy in motion, it is not stable, it is in flux, and what scientists call "The Second Law of Thermodynamics" insures that it will fall apart one day. For you to think that the house looks solid is exactly the kind of misperceiving that Advaita invites you to abandon.

J.: In other words, how is it that The Universe seems to "remain", even "after" an "Absolute Realization"?

F.: The universe does not remain, that is, does not remain as it appears from any given moment to the next. Every second, what it is ends and it becomes something else, none of which can be catalogued because it is forever in flux. That is like believing that an ice cube placed on a hot surface "remains." It remains H2O, but it does not remain a cube. Substance remains, form does not.

J.: What's "keeping the illusion in place" in spite of "anything I could think or not think about IT"?

F.: Programming, learned ignorance, conditioning, domestication, acculturation, the plethora of lies thought to be truth, and personality (which generates a desire...a desire to know, to accumulate more knowledge rather than to de-accumulate and to unlearn all of the ignorance that has been taught).

J.: 2) Why does the Absolute manifest in the first place?

F.: Why does anything that happens spontaneously...happen?

J.: What we find "inside" The Universe didn't just "randomly" occur ... IT was set in "motion" somehow.

F.: Indeed. If you believe you really must know, then search the site for pointers on "the genesis vacuum"; additionally, search for "cause" and "causation" and read the postings on all three topics.

J.: Where did the "thought of I" come from, or better yet, how did Nothing "come up" with Something?

F.: The consciousness of "I" - not the thought of I - happens spontaneously. Nothing "came up with" anything. The bird flies away if you approach because it knows it is but that bird has no mind so there is no thought involved.

J.: And why, what was the original "point" in manifesting anyways?

F.: WHO (what ego-state) wants a "point"? What was the point of your parents exchanging fluids via an act of friction? To create you? Hardly. Some ego-state might like that self-affirming belief as well as the sense of "specialness" that some doting parents instill, but your parents' motives were far less noble than anything having to do with meaning, plans, purpose, "desire to have you," etc. Birds fornicate and make more birds. So do fish. So do deer. There is nothing "special" or "supernatural" or "other-worldly" or "god-directed" about fornicating and reproducing, the egotistical beliefs of non-Realized, magically-thinking persons notwithstanding. End of story. Everything that is natural happens naturally and spontaneously.

J.: Why create an illusion to "believe in as if it's real or not"?

F.: Primarily, to control the thoughts and words and actions of persons.

J.: 3) And of the relative itself. While it's illusory, it's still "where I'm focused". I understand that there is no "god" looking in and "controlling things"...that basically The Universe is an "Improvisational Machine", an "inside job". However, "who" set "the rules" in place?

F.: What rules? Persons and events on this planet are running amuck. Chaos and flux and instability, not rule-inspired order, is the only rule (and that applies to the entire universe as well).

J.: Having a physical body I cannot just "jump off the Earth"..."who" put the "limits of gravity" in the "rulebook" (as an example) so to speak?

F.: Time for you to go back and study what is taught in basic science classes.

J.: "Where/When" did the "concept" of "physical reality" and "its rules/limitations" get "setup"?

F.: Ditto above. All simple science.

J.: Sure, it's manifesting "this particular combination" Now, but at some "future Now point" the combination can "appear" completely different, Nothing like it seems Now. "Where/When" do those "germinating ideas" get "thought"?

F.: You have no ideas that germinated or that are your own. You skipped reading THERE'S NO SUCH THINGS AS PEACE OF MIND (There's Only Peace if You're Out of Your Mind). You might, or might not, want to go back and read all of the books in the prescribed order to find the answers to all of your questions, but this is all covered in the proper, book-length detail you'll likely require for Full Realization.

J.: Like your analogy of the street lightbulbs, puddle reflections, etc. in Consciousness/Awareness...you never do say "why" it appears as a street lightbulb in the first place. "How" did street lightbulb manifest "that way"...when did lightbulb as an idea "originate"? All the different appearances of "things" in the relative, what's the "how and why" aspect?

F.: Time to ask, WHO wants to know all of this? What is that WHO going to do with all these answers? Does the deer need to know any of this to live naturally?

J.: In From the I book, there's a questioner who asks you about do thoughts create our reality? For awhile while driving my car, whenever I started to feel "connected with Source", I would notice triple digits (i.e. 333, 777 etc.) showing up on car license plates and the different digital displays in my car (including 444 on my own plates). One day I said, "Universe, while I do like seeing the triple digits everywhere, it's getting kind of routine...do something to impress me." Not 10 minutes later I pull up behind a car...and notice that his license plate is the exact same number combo as mine, except the last digit which was the next one up from mine. Needless to say, I was impressed. Recently I pulled up behind a car whose plate was my cell phone number except for one digit. So, what's going on here?

F.: That's an easy one: Magical thinking combined with OCD. You must be completely exhausted by the end of a day.

J.: My Now point is manifesting "in" the relative, it's "where" I "want to be" since I'm not "somewhere else". So while I have my own "answers" to all the questions I posed, I'm always interested in hearing words from "others", as it helps to "clarify" things as I mull them about. Thanks for reading...I know it was a bit long winded. have a good one! jack

F.: Long, indeed. You've burned through your quota in one e-mail. What you are trying to do is to start with "the Advanced Seekers" three-book set that discusses what is to be understood after all of the foundational pointers of the previous eight volumes have been understood but without having read the previous eight and without understanding all of the foundational steps in the order required. Your questions show that (a) you began with readings that were not, and are not, level-appropriate for you and that (b) the need for much foundational understanding is yet indicated.

In relative terms, you are trying to build a house from the roof down. For the sake of "the dance," and to offer some answers that others at the beginner level might find appropriate, you were humored. From now on, best to (1) go to the first 8 books in the 11-book set that provides the answers you seek or (2) take the online course. If that has no appeal, then option (3) is to forget all this and abide naturally, relaxing and taking it easy and not being trapped in the Type Five and Type One personalities that want to know and want to be able to say "I know." Regards, Peace and Light, or better yet in your case, just Peace. Ha. F.

Please enter the silence of contemplation.

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